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    [Info] Re: Bleach Tournament Discussion Thread

    Well, it's not surprising that Yoruichi won with a big margin because we all knew how popular she was as evidenced by the fact that Lisa didn't get any votes against her. The next least number of...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    @ Kugo Ginjo:

    1) Shinji, Hitsugaya, Soifon and Shunsui were all open (=off-guard) when Aizen attacked them, therefore you can't compare Yoruichi and Urahara with other captains anymore because you...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    I said "Komamura was injured" which means his reiatsu was lower than usual.



    This is absolutely wrong, where did you get this idea from? :blink



    Hisagi's reiatsu must be so great that...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    So if Aizen can cut down KTM (of an injured Komamura) it means any attack from KTM (of 100% fit Komamura) does no damage to Aizen even if it connects. If KTM's sword hits cocoon Aizen when Aizen is...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Here you go:



    You said "Aizen was slower when he fought Isshin" and then posted a link to the page where Aizen was getting slower at the end of his fight with Isshin as if Aizen was that slow...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    I'll ignore the other parts because the severity of the flaw in this argument makes every other look pale in comparison.

    Aizen fought Isshin and then Aizen reached the limits of his shinigami self...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Your logic:

    Urahara = Aizen

    Yoruichi did the same damage to Aizen, so Yoruichi = Urahara = Aizen.

    My questions:

    How do you know "Shinji couldn't do as much damage as Yoruichi"? How do you...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Doesn't refute your point which is "Aizen knew he didn't have to dodge kidō when he attacked Urahara"? Umm, okay, if you say so. :blink



    Hitsugaya didn't fight alone, he had others to help him....
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Actually Aizen said that after he realized that hadō 91 wouldn't hurt him. He said "I won't let you use this hadō" as if it could actually hurt him:

    http://mangable.com/bleach/chapter-402/12/

    ...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Have we ever seen other captains try to attack this arrogant reckless Aizen and fail to do any damage at all? Why do we assume they wouldn't make a scratch on Aizen, is it fair to use this assumption...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    It's quite hard to estimate the amount of damage though, Aizen didn't seem impressed at all. We can't say that every attack that does damage to cocoon Aizen kills everybody else.



    If he can...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Aizen wasn't slow during the entire fight, he got slower when he was at his shinigami limits and only then hōgyoku started to transform Aizen's soul, not before. And do you suggest that Aizen was...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    I think Isshin is faster, we have seen him keep up with Aizen for a sufficiently long time and we know how fast Aizen is. On the other hand, Urahara's only speed reaction feat is to react to Aizen's...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Yep, Yoruichi is so fast that she'll dodge Byakuya's bankai petals and conveniently punch Byakuya to death at the same time. Every moment Yoruichi spends near Byakuya is a death warrant, Yoruichi...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Sigh, I was expecting to see detailed posts which compare Isshin and Urahara's strengths and weaknesses but all I see is baiting and people who think this is amusing. Nobody is laughing at these...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    I agree, Yoruichi is indeed faster than Byakuya, I believe Yoruichi's words which stated she could outrun Byakuya in a race.

    I just don't agree with the suggestion that faster characters always...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Well, it's good to see someone say Byakuya underestimated Ichigo because this thread is full of comments which say "Ichigo speedblitzed Byakuya, therefore Yoruichi speedblitzes Byakuya and wins."...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    I'm not sure I understood your point but judging by Byakuya's performance against Zommari, either Grimmjow was much faster than Zommari or HM Ichigo was much slower SS Ichigo. We've never seen...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Or HM arc Ichigo is slower. :amuse
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Aizen thought WW could defeat Yamamoto because he underestimated Yamamoto just like he underestimated everybody else. See this post for detailed explanation and this will be my last off-topic post in...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Aizen thought WW would defeat Yamamoto and espada would defeat everybody else. Yes, he openly admitted that he overestimated his espada, we don't know what Aizen said to Ulquiorra but judging by his...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Did you read the part I said "Aizen was a bit overestimating his espada at the time"?

    And who talked about Yamamoto, I was obviously referring to this:
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Or it may suggest Aizen thought Ulquiorra was indeed on the same level as Urahara and Yoruichi at the time as evidenced by the fact that he thought his top 3 espada could defeat Gotei 13 captains in...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Next time when you make posts in this thread or other battle threads, elaborate your opinion by giving a detailed analysis which let people understand why you think something is the case.



    I...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    So Ulquiorra knew who they were but he had no idea how powerful they were and he totally speculated when he said he would have the upper hand against them if they tried to protect the wounded. And...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    It suggests that Aizen (who informed Ulquiorra about Urahara and Yoruichi) told Ulquiorra that Ulquiorra could take on either of them by himself. We can at least conclude that Aizen didn't say...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    Aizen obviously informed Ulquiorra about his potential opponents in human world before the mission. How exactly do you think Ulquiorra knew who they were?

    And didn't we see Aizen and espada having...
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    [Info] Re: Bleach Tournament Discussion Thread

    Since mods know who voted for who, they can check these votes out and see if there are new members who do nothing but vote. Approximately 100 members vote in each poll, if this number increases to...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    These statements aren't contradictory.

    Ulquiorra knew how powerful Urahara and Yoruichi were but this power is less than you think.



    Are you sure Ulquiorra didn't say "How can a human defeat...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    I actually think Urahara (bankai) can defeat Ulquiorra (R2). My point is "Ulquiorra knew who they were (apparently Aizen told him) but he still was not intimidated, which means Aizen didn't tell...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    If this is your answer, yes, I don't get your point. :blink



    If you think Kubo is untrustworthy, fine but he is the best we've got. ;)
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    This translation still says "We'll lose", which is plain wrong. In the page you posted, Ulquiorra says "If you try to protect the injured and fight me, you most likely lose." ;)
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    I don't know who Ju-Ni's translator was at that time but he translated Ulquiorra's words (to Yammy) as "They are far beyond our level, at this rate we'll lose" instead of the correct translation...
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    Poll: Re: Urahara Kisuke vs Kurosaki Isshin

    It seems to me that Isshin has the edge but I won't vote yet, I'm pretty sure we'll hear some good arguments in favor of Urahara. :D

    Isshin pushed Aizen to his shinigami limits, which is a very...
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    [Info] Re: Bleach Tournament Discussion Thread

    I was expecting Shunsui vs Gin to be close, it's nice to see that Shunsui wins. :)



    You need to be attacked to react to your opponent, otherwise how will you show your reaction? For example,...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    I didn't mean you argued that, I was talking about people who used Urahara to support Yoruichi. :)

    If Byakuya is indeed able to cast 90-level destruction spells with incantation, there's no reason...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 440 Discussion / 441 Predictions

    Some people in last chapter discussion argued that the book and the bookmark can both be fullbring, like the dual swords of Shunsui and Ukitake. Book and bookmark are parts of a whole after all, it...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Byakuya cast 80-level bakudō without incantation and his hadō 33 was strong enough to render Renji's bankai useless, even Renji said how strong it was, so yes, Byakuya is pretty skillful at kidō....
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    Poll: Re: Team Ice, Ice Baby vs Team Ladies Knight

    Remember your words if someone says "Starrk used his wolves against Shunsui in the anime."

    And Hitsugaya saved Lisa and Hiyori in the anime.
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 440 Discussion / 441 Predictions

    Welcome to MH. :)

    [Edit] Oh, I thought you were new on the forum, never mind.



    Actually the object Tsukishima uses to activate his fullbring is a bookmark, which is used to remember the page...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    The manga already suggested that casting spells without incantation is harder. For example Shinji said "A 90-th level bakudō without incantation, impressive". Gin also emphasized that Aizen bypassed...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    There's nothing wrong with Harribel, Hitsugaya's Hyōten Hyakkasō is one of the best techniques we've seen in the manga. Grimmjow would lose to Hitsugaya, too.



    It was you who brought up Ginrei...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Harribel is #3, Grimmjow is #6, the rest is unimportant.



    You said "Ginrei didn't seem talented" even though we have no idea how powerful Ginrei was. You made such a comment to disregard...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    @ Kugo Ginjo:

    Your comments like "Harribel (who has no speed feats at all) is faster than Zommari" or "HM Ichigo (shikai), whom Dordoni overpowered with ease, is stronger than SS Ichigo (shikai)...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    I wonder if Yoruichi was actually (much?) slower compared to her older self. Yes, her stamina was lacking but can we say that her speed drops considerably even when she isn't tired? Neither Yoruichi...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    I don't want to discuss anymore whether Starrk or Zommari was faster, they were both fast in their own right but I guess we can all agree that Zommari was very fast, 2nd fastest in a worst case...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Ichigo was surprised at the fact that Starrk covered a great distance, long enough to disappear from sight, in one sonido step. Yes, it would come in handy in a race but it doesn't mean Starrk would...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Yeah, Shunsui did something similar when he carried Nanao away. Shunsui can probably cover more distance than Yoruichi and Soifon in one flash step. But it is not the only parameter to determine...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Isn't it your opinion that Starrk is faster than Zommari? An opinion which contradicts a statement from a manga character. I would like Starrk to be faster than Zommari, I could argue that Shunsui is...
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    Poll: Re: Shihōin Yoruichi vs Kuchiki Byakuya

    Nobody in the manga said Zommari wasn't the fastest espada, neither did the databook.

    Look, I don't argue that Yoruichi is faster than Byakuya. Going by your logic, I just point out you are...
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