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  1. [Discussion] Re: Let's Discuss Tobirama and the Uchiha - Fair and Square!

    It can be argued that Sasuke's MS grew stronger when trying to protect Karin from Gyuki. There is also some indication that Uchiha are naturally more powerful than Senju and were they to adopt the...
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    Re: Sasuke vs Double MS Kakashi

    If we use Minato vs Tobi as a model then it can go either way. If Sasuke can't kill Kakashi in his first attack, then it's likely that he will lose. The reason being, Minato managed to escape mostly...
  3. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    He still needed them in order to exact his revenge, so they were not way past the end.


    I don't think the spawn of Shinji count as fodder. You constantly make things up for reasons unknown to...
  4. [Discussion] Re: "Suwappu no basho" - Swap Places in Japanese - Sasuke's One Ability and it's Limits

    It looks like he dropped out of hyper space in front of Madara with just enough time to slash, in the same manner Tobirama did to take out Izuna.
  5. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    You say my assessment is inaccurate but fail to give an alternative method of escape? Another impressive rebuttle! Again, his jutsu is near instant so saying Kakashi got there first is stupid!...
  6. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Who are these questionable people you're talking about? As for Taka, the job wasn't over because he then decided to destroy Konoha and it's leaders. Suigetsu joined on the understanding that Sasuke...
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    Sticky: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 689 Discussion / 690 Predictions

    I'm wondering if Sasuke and Naruto have the power to create new dimensions as well, as Kaguya's gudōdama looks a lot like the sphere created when the two clashed at the Valley of the End.
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    Sticky: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 689 Discussion / 690 Predictions

    I have to give it up to Black Zetsu, the guy is persistent. Currently just an arm, and still causing problems. Sakura with Susanoo shroud was a shrewd move by Kakashi. Sadly, I believe Kaguya playing...
  9. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Your assessment is inaccurate because Sasuke's jutsu is pretty much instant i.e. he can jump faster than Susanoo can fly. You say he would have acted otherwise, but what did he actually do? And, yes...
  10. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves. There is no way of knowing whether Sasuke was actually going to rescue Sakura, as it would mean sacrificing himself, something we know he is currently adverse to on...
  11. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    And yet he believes he can become Hokage without the approval of his peers or the other nations who currently view him as a terrorist. Isn't he doing exactly what Itachi warned Naruto about? No, he's...
  12. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    You haven't understood what I've said. I'm not writing anything off. It just is what it is. Taka were just a means to an end. Sasuke became more powerful when rescuing Karin, but it was clear he...
  13. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    What you're referring to is Sasuke's math based assumptions that teamwork equals higher success rates and is therefore the logical thing to do. This is different from him understanding that fighting...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    While I can appreciate the effort you’ve put into sourcing these references none of them confirmed that Senju have a higher chakra capacity than the Uchiha; it only suggests that Uchiha are naturally...
  15. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    No, because he was still angry inside. He grew up watching Jiraiya's back. It doesn't matter when Naruto had his epithany, what matters is that he finally understood. Do you know if Sasuke knows...
  16. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Sasuke got the lowest grade for cooperation and second-lowest for assertiveness. How can someone who can't convey feelings and doesn't value other peoples opionions or worth hope to lead?...
  17. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    You wanna reference where it says Sasuke knows any of the above?


    We already know Sasuke doesn't give a rats ass about other people. Unofficial leader of Team 7!? Taka!? Not one of them joined...
  18. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Sure, Naruto counts. A Liability? Look who was saving lives and making a difference. Sasuke was getting a beat down before Naruto planted a kick in Haku's face, so I hardly think he made things...
  19. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Then I invite you to list said attributes that are more important than simple compassion, so that we can have a proper discussion. Though I should remind you that compassion isn't the main stumbling...
  20. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Naruto didn't gain high standing with the citizens of [insert any village name] by scratching his ass and picking his nose all day. You're making the same mistake as Indra by placing all of the...
  21. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    This thread was flawed from the start, as compassion was never stated as the defining difference between Indra and Ashura; the emphasis has always been on building bonds and fighting to maintain...
  22. [Discussion] Re: Let's Discuss Tobirama and the Uchiha - Fair and Square!

    While I don't totally agree with Tobirama's methods, I think it should also be noted that the Uchiha didn't seem to have any allies to speak on their behalf.

    The Yamanaka, Nara and Akimichi have...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Quality vs Quantity!? Who said that? Your posts are so long-winded I honestly don't know what you're debating anymore. I don't even understand why you're talking about every Uchiha that ever lived...
  24. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    The direction of this thread has long since shifted from how Sasuke compares to Naruto, to whether compassion is actually a necessity after assessing those who previously held title of Hokage or were...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    At least there's one thing we can agree on. I suggest you employ the old adage, 'quality over quantity'. And while I can appreciate the effort you put into sourcing those links, you failed to...
  26. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    You may see it as an issue of one-upmanship, but it is important to establish a model character to compare against when assessing whether or not Sasuke would be a better leader if he learned to be...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    I referred to that page because you claim the power ranking was something Kurama made up and I'm saying they were talking about two different things.


    Their chakra can be channeled and used more...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    I believe Kurama and Gyuki were talking about two different things; the strength derived from strength of character[1], and strength in the form of raw power.

    We saw first hand where Kurama...
  29. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Your reference does not in any way support your claim that the actions of Danzo and the Council were an extention of Tobirama's teachings.


    You've misinterpreted Itachi's words. Kabuto, like...
  30. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    As I already stated, killing is a last resort in most missions and need I remind you that Hiruzen didn't even want to give them that mission. Moreoever, his rationale and explanation of mission...
  31. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    You're statement implies that all missions are assassinations when we've seen that a lot of mission are about safeguarding people and information. Killing is a last resort as oppose to the era of...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    ^ That alone should atleast conflict the notion that Madara doesn't have chakra amount/volume/quantity that can compete against even 1/10 of the inhuman Bijju rivaling creatures like Hashirama or the...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Madara has already said that the Biju are a joke compared to his perfect Susanoo, so unless you can reference a page that says otherwise...
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    [Discussion] Re: Madara's Chakra vs Raikage's Chakra

    Perfect Susanoo > Biju
  35. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    The fact that Tobirama established the Academy should be a clear indication that he was in agreement. In Danzo's final moments he recalls Tobirama, telling Team Tobirama that there was no need to be...
  36. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    I can see that you have read the definition of compassion, but you haven't understood its meaning in the context of this thread. Your assumption is that acts of compassion can only be expressed by...
  37. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    What is you definition of compassion? The very reason Tobirama formed the Academy was born out of compassion; the contributing factors being the death of his brothers; his disapproval of children...
  38. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Tobirama's compassion towards those he deems important to either himself or Konoha was illustrated when he sacrificed his life for the other members of Team Tobirama. You don't get to be Hokage by...
  39. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    They were all compassionate, even Tobirama.
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    Poll: [Conditional] Re: Senju Tsunade vs Might Gai

    I don't even believe that Gai would be able to kill Tsunade using Night Gai, let alone the jutsu that preceed it. At best he'd bisect her...
  41. [Discussion] Re: If Sasuke ever learns to be compassionate, would he be the ideal leader, compared to Naruto?

    Sasuke only looks good on paper; as a closer look at Naruto's fetes would reveal who is the better leader irrespective of intelligence. Naruto's ability to connect with others has proven time and...
  42. [Theory] Re: WMG: The true origin of the Mokuton is not Hashirama, beware of the future!

    Kishi already left the backdoor open when Naruto's nine-tailed chakra cloak caused Tenzo's Mokuton to sprout new leaves and Zetsu to become a tree. An argument can be made that any descendant...
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    [Discussion] Re: So how exactly is Madara 'evil'?

    Madara claims to want peace but his actions suggest the opposite. It is clear he enjoys and thrives on conflict and destruction. In a nutshell Madara is evil because he lacks a sense of morality;...
  44. [Discussion] Re: Proof that all Uchiha who unlock Full Blown Mangekyou Sharingan can Susano'o, from Kishi Himself.

    Shisui trusted Danzo, that's all.
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    [Chapter] Re: Naruto 673 Spoiler Discussion

    It is when it's a part of your body. We know for a fact that Guy smashed his ribs. You have made the assumption that Madara recovered from all of the damage he sustained. His inability to stand and...
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    [Chapter] Re: Naruto 673 Spoiler Discussion

    Maybe you didn't see but his mask is forehead protector is still broken. He was still unable to stand until that moment. You don't know the state of his body. If he was in such tip top shape why...
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    [Chapter] Re: Naruto 673 Spoiler Discussion

    Spoilers look cool, but Naruto's not Madara's equal yet! Let's not forget that Guy obliterated Madara's ribs and probably a few organs. His face has healed but he's still hurting.
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    [Discussion] Re: Would you like to see another Chuunin exam?

    At this point even Konohamaru is too powerful to be entered into the chuunin exam. It would only make sense to show what became of the 'king' aka Asuma's child and those of the Konoha Rookies.
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    [Discussion] Re: kakashi fate

    That's what you say, but all the Uchiha really wanted was a piece of the pie! Danzo's position and influence is proof enough that he was held in high esteem. The fact that his ambition got the better...
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    [Discussion] Re: kakashi fate

    If giving the Uchiha the task of protecting all of Konoha's secrets isn't a show of trust then I don't know what is.
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