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Translations: Gintama 510 (2) , Naruto 692 by aegon-rokudo

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    [Hangout] Re: Naruto 692 Discussion / 693 Predictions | No Chapter Until ~25th

    I did. There was no indication of Kurama's chakra during his training. Kurama's chakra started leaking out because he was exhausted and that's why Tenzou was there. The Kakuzu fight was a bit vague,...
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    Re: MS Sasuke vs. SM Naruto

    Huh? Bunta and other toads were freakishly huge and freakishly fast against Pain. The size doesn't matter.

    No, he should win because if he lands even one punch against Sasuke, he's done. The only...
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    Sure he can. Otherwise, Sasuke would've tried it just like he did on the Bijuu.

    It does matter. One's growth matters a lot. That's like saying a Genin and a Kage can both process the experience of...
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    [Hangout] Re: Naruto 692 Discussion / 693 Predictions | No Chapter Until ~25th

    Bunta, impulse. Okay, it seemed controllable against Sasuke. He didn't use it to train for FRS, Kurama's chakra only started leaking after he lost his own chakra because of training. The Kakuzu fight...
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    [Hangout] Re: Naruto 692 Discussion / 693 Predictions | No Chapter Until ~25th

    He made 1000 of them without the Bijuu. That is already ridiculously huge number.
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    [Hangout] Re: Naruto 692 Discussion / 693 Predictions | No Chapter Until ~25th

    Sure, but he effectively started using it in the war. Before that, it was mainly just an impulse which was uncontrollable (minus against Neji).

    Sure he did. He told him everything about Itachi. If...
  7. Poll: [Discussion] Re: naruto win against sasuke and naruto's potential

    How is this a fan theory? According to manga, you don't need to be the Juubi's Jin to get the Truth Seeking Balls.
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    You can only hope. I guess this topic is done.

    ---------- Post added at 09:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:14 PM ----------



    Nice.
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    I'm trying to remember where Hashirama used Genjutsu. Not that it would be an indication that Naruto would fail to get out of it.
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    Scan? The second part is mere speculation.
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    [Hangout] Re: Naruto 692 Discussion / 693 Predictions | No Chapter Until ~25th

    SM isn't a gift. You have to have an overall ability to perfect Sage Mode. Also, Mangekyou Sharingan was an opportunity presented by Obito. Without him, he wouldn't have awaken it. I don't think MS...
  12. Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 692 Discussion / 693 Predictions | No Chapter Until ~25th

    Agreed, but we don't know why Senju practically disappeared. They were feared all those years throughout Hashirama's and Madara's youth to adult life. Something happened to them, it doesn't mean that...
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    That's the gist of this whole debate.

    Naruto(trained by Jiraiya) = Sasuke(trained by Kakashi)
    Naruto(Kyuubi) = Sasuke(CS)
    Naruto(trained by Kakashi) = Sasuke(trained by Orochimaru)
    Naruto(SM) =...
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    That gives no indication of Naruto failing in it. The fact that eh improved then means what I said earlier. No, not the same feats since both Sasuke and Naruto are far more powerful than Hashirama...
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    My bad, just saw it. He received mortal wounds from Tobirama and later died. But like in all fights, one must prevail. It still doesn't mean they weren't on a similar level.

    But it is speculation...
  16. Poll: [Discussion] Re: naruto win against sasuke and naruto's potential

    There is no elaborating scan of what Naruto exclusively received, but you can logically conclude. The shade markings around the eyes disappeared, meaning that his SM went to a whole different level....
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    Itachi praised Naruto for being able to dispel the Genjutsu at the beginning of the part 1 so I'd say he pretty much aced it now. Also, you have no idea how Hashirama dealt with Genjutsu, you're...
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    Of course it would. If Naruto or Hashirama would be susceptible to falling into Genjutsu with a glance, they wouldn't be much of equals to Sasuke or Madara, right? Not to mention being more powerful...
  19. Poll: [Discussion] Re: naruto win against sasuke and naruto's potential

    But this is not an opinion. I literally just copy pasted you statements from manga.
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    How so? Naruto's sensing abilities are so good that he practically battled against an invisible Madara from Limbo. Which means that if he absolutely needs to fight without looking in his eyes, he...
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    Don't really know. He made this topic because I stated my opinion on this in another topic.
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    Glad you clarified that. There are members who actually think he can get one-shotted with it. It could be, but we weren't shown Madara using Genjutsu on Hashirama during any of the flashbacks. Who...
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    He means Naruto without the Bijuu. So Naruto with Hagoromo's powerup without his Bijuu modes.
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    Because Hashirama always prevailed against Madara. If he could be subdued with genjutsu as easily as you say, he certainly wouldn't almost ALWAYS have the edge. Same is here and that's why Sasuke...
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    Itachi, Bee, Sasuke and Danzo don't fall into to category of comparison between Hashirama/Madara and Naruto/Sasuke.
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    My point is that Genjutsu obviously doesn't work against a high-caliber shinobi, specially ones that are equal or slightly stronger than the Genjutsu caster. Madara never even attempted to Genjutsu...
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    Plot? Did plot also save Hashirama from Madara's control?
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    Sure he does. Tsunade cracked Madara's Susanoo on the first punch. With his beyond perfected Senjutsu, Naruto can destroy his Susanoo at his second/third try. Enton falls into the category of clones....
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    That's why Sasuke trapped Naruto just as the Bijuu, right? How can one honestly think that the shinobi of Naruto's caliber can be caught in a measly Genjutsu? Even when you know he's one of the...
  30. Poll: [Discussion] Re: naruto win against sasuke and naruto's potential

    I see, this is why you don't understand anything. Naruto isn't a Juubi's Jin.

    Truth-Seeking Balls are spheres of black, malleable chakra that are composed of all five basic nature transformations,...
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    And Naruto is a Juubi Jin?
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    Did he have them before Hagoromo's power up? No, he didn't. Logic dictates that he would.
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    This. Forgot to mention it.
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    Re: Handi cap naruto vs current Sasuke.

    Truth Seeking Balls aren't from the Bijuu.

    I'd say it's a tie.

    Naruto's beyond perfected Senjutsu allows him to sense those around him even more than before. Which automatically discloses...
  35. Poll: [Discussion] Re: naruto win against sasuke and naruto's potential

    The Genjutsu is unnecessary because Naruto doesn't need to look at his eyes. He can also sense Sasuke to make up for his speed without the Bijuu mode. It's nothing beyond, it's just what manga...
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    Sure he can. Bijuu give him a larger chakra pool and the ability to use the elements, just like Sasuke's Rinnegan grants him certain techniques. Those ascensions give them certain benefits, not...
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    Getting certain powers doesn't mean replenishing one's stamina or chakra pools.

    And you're saying I shit on Sasuke? I'm glad I finally revealed the hypocrite outta you. Yeah, they're supposed be...
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    No, they probably weren't. They were fighting the war since it started. Specially Naruto.

    Not really. "one-shotted" can't even be used when talking about two brothers who are generally equal....
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    They just recovered from their deathbed so I'd say they were pretty weakened as well. Sure he is. He has Rikudou's Senjutsu and a large chakra pool of his own.
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    Re: MS Sasuke vs. SM Naruto

    The point is really clear. 1000 clones can surely make up for your 5 levels building.
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    Re: MS Sasuke vs. SM Naruto

    And apparently, Naruto can make 1000 clones without SM.
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    Sure he can. He overpowered Madara in seconds without the usage of Bijuu chakra. He only used their element.

    Katon style can't touch him. We have to remember their power levels now.

    No, it...
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    Re: MS Sasuke vs. SM Naruto

    Sure, I agree. I didn't say base would be able to do it. Actually, maybe he would be able to do it, but he couldn't be able to keep up with MS Sasuke in general.
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    People forget Naruto has beyond perfected Senjutsu. Bijuu powers are almost of no significance next to that. So yeah, he can fight fair and square without the Bijuu.
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    Re: MS Sasuke vs. SM Naruto

    His usage of clones was damn near perfect already at the start of part 2. Avoiding Amaterasu would be easy. Besides, they wouldn't be equal in general if Sasuke could one-shot him with Amaterasu....
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    Again, speculation. We don't know when or where or under what circumstances was Izuna killed. It could have been when he gave Madara his eyes for all we know. We only know that he was somewhere on...
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    That's complete speculation. The manga never stated who was better as a whole. If anything, the Uchihas were losing so by that logic, Senju would be better as a whole.
    Don't know why you mention...
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    That's all nice and dandy, but Naruto's sensing abilities are now off the charts. He could probably fight with his eyes closed. You also have to remember Madara. He never showed any extraordinary...
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    The problem here is the level of Genjutsu. Sasuke isn't very adept at it (at least he wasn't until now that he glanced the Bijuu). And yet you threw Itachi as an example, the best Genjutsu user ever....
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    But why plot? Do you honestly think Naruto can't deal with Genjutsu at his current level? That's why I constantly bring equality to the table. It's too simple a matter for Naruto to be dealt with at...
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