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1. sasuke only felt that naruto was superior to him and if you recall sasuke kicked gaaras ass at the tournament, the only reason sasuke lost was because he started using the shukaku and naruto...

this is starting to get annoying, youre smart enough to see where i'm coming from but dont wanna admit your wrong.

1. naruto is in no form superior to sasuke. in terms of raw power, yes, but thats...

1 he didnt have the chance to kill kakashi because he didnt come at him with the intent to kill. theres a bloodlust you can sense when someone is actually trying to kill you and unlike sasuke naruto...

i dont even know what to think of this... first off, naruto beat a chunnin as a kid, so? konohamaru defeated a path of pain so he must be kage level by your definition. also neji is far superior to...

Exactly! the kyuubi will save his ass no matter what happens because it doesnt wanna die. other peoples powers dont awaken and take control of their bodies in times of need. if say and uchiha gets...

did you miss the past 600 where he hasnt done a new strategy other than bait and switch which he used against zabuza like 15 chapters in? please explain to me how naruto is jounin level. he has no...

you are biased and my point still stands the same. he needed to be saved 3 times and yet you completely ignore that. you bring up the fact that i pain instead of ''deva pain'' to belittle my argument...

this just proves how incredibly biased and blind you are. naruto entered the pain fight after pain used the majority of his chakra THEN the kyuubi took over and forced him to the brink of death by...

guy, this is about narutos base strength

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yeah me too lol it felt kinda forced in my opinion

oh they have improved, but not as much as they should have. kishi gave too much potential to each of them and only explored sasuke. he said sakura was genjutsu type but turned her and almost every...

um no he actually just almost ruined kakashis book for him and took the bell when his ears were covered. if they kept going seriously naruto wouldve never got the bell

theres is a difference though, rasengan is a finishing move its not something thats meant to be spammed as there is a easy way to counter it once you've seen it. it has different properties than the...

just because im not a fan of naruto doesnt mean i cant judge his character fairly. he used to be one of my favorites up until part 2. kishi gave him amazing potential but killed it for rasengan...

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remember me? ive been busy the past couple few days, you say im biased with my argument when im really not. i can admit to not liking naruto but your...

1. neji still wouldve been able to see naruto go underground after their initial clash. the fact that neji didnt see him was bull, he shouldve at least been able to tell if the one on the ground was...

1. the kyuubi was tamed by madara at first, even if he didnt befriend it he still had it as his pet and was far better at utilizing kurama than what naruto has shown.

2. the jyuubi didnt make it...

he wasnt the first killabee was the first jin to befriend a bijuu and the problem with the power ups and rasegan is that he jumps to them right away without assessing the full situation; that leaves...

let them. if people really think naruto is jonin level without his ridiculous power boosts than they're naive and living in their own reality. when you look at what it really takes to be a ninja...

honestly naruto isnt that great of a nin. people keep relating it back to kyuubi or sage mode but i thought the purpose of the discussion was to find out how strong he was without it.... honestly...

naruto wouldnt be able to touch mifune in base mode. mifune is head of the samurai and on top of that he was able to defeat hanzo that beat all 3 sannin at the same time. theres no way naruto would...

this whole debate is why i hate naruto now. it turned into dbz with these huge moves and power levels and now people are arguing naruto is the best when hes really mediocre if it werent for the...

ridoku was the bijuu of the 6 paths and its bijuu dama destroyed mountins and vilages from like thousands of miles away.

THE RIDOKU IS GOD! There will never be another nin able to reach his level...

I agree completely. the problem is mainly naruto's confidence which you pointed out. hes never really had to face real danger or struggle to achieve something on his own, he always has someone...

where did you come up with this? care to elaborate?

can't tell if this guy has been trolling the whole discussion or not :-_-

naurot without kurama and sage mode would get bitch slapped by nearly any nin so i dont see what your trying say

he surpassed jiraya cause he had the proper dna, nothing special about it. jiraya trained for like 40 years under the frogs and it was incomplete while naruto trained for like 2 weeks. that alone is...

how so? throughout the series sasuke has been shown busting his ass training and always wins his fights in a new way just escaping by the skin of his teeth.

naruto gets 2 second training arcs and...

no what im saying is naruto isnt shit compared to REAL NINJAS! all he can do is the same strategy, bait and switch and finish with a rasengan... the same strategy he's had since part 1. im no fanboy...

guy that was in part 1. base naruto vs base sasuke no would get slaughtered with no remorse

you make it seem like base naruto is some god when he's not. all he has is rasengan and clones. no...

1. jiraiya who was significantly a better nin and a true genius counld'nt complete sage mode due to the one limitation and that was he didnt have the proper ''body'' just like oro so yeah i am gonna...

that doesnt mean anything.

1. the only reason he mastered sage mode so quick was becuase he had the ''perfect dna'' for it; plot no jutsu at its best. jiraya trained for like 50 years and his was...

are you serious? you are delusional if you really think that.

his taijutsu is subpar
his jutsu arsenal is garbage
his brain power and strategies haven't evolved
He's always getting saved
...

bruh, ive been saying this for the past year but every time i made a thread i go fanboy jumped and flamed

Naruto is nothing without his power ups. He still cant do a one handed rasengan, 3 years...

Ive always wondered about her. kubo is far too inconsistent with her portrayal, i'm really hoping she gets powers she'd be a nice addition plus we dont have many hand to hand fighters in bleach

Also if this turns out true do you think ichigo will get a new inner spirit when he realizes his own true abilities?

isnt it bach?

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wait nvm just looked it up again :p, why'd the write it his name juha bach in some manga...

with the new chapter i am inclined to think ichigo powers come from the influence of his parents, their roots, those who effected them in the past or are absorbed by him which he then creates his own...

im not self righteous, you said 65% of blacks were theifs and criminals as a fact, how do you know this as fact? you grouped a whole race of people as theifs and criminals with your ''fact'' the same...

i know but its hitting close to home, as someone whos been going through this type of shit and still is to this day i can tell you that violence isnt the answer and the fact that everyone is trying...

for fucks sakes im done with this thread im just goona leave you with this last post

1. Bin laden was given mission by the cia and if you realized he did attack the us becvause he was fed up with...

were trying to relate them to real life situations in which a lot of them do. we can take examples from them and compare them to the thoughts and actions of the cahracters in the manga. it may seem a...

my analogy of osama fits perfectly.

1. how many muslims attacked on 9/11? not many but muslims around the world are being hated for the actions of osama the same way the uchiha were hated by the...

tobirama didnt start the problem madara did. would he have segregated the uchiha if madara didnt attack? no. he said it was purely because of madara nothing else, i dont care for tobirama decision...

madara was a former leader and had influence, regardless of what you say hes always gonna be affiliated with the uchiha whether he defects or not. your making it seem like they werent a ruthless clan...

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1.no i didnt, youre mistaken. the cia and fbi dont influence the people they work in the shadows. whens the last time a cia agent came up to you and said ''hey this, this and this is what were...

bro the uchiha and senju have been at war for ats long as they can remember and within a few years of peace their former leader attacks the village. saying that other people besides tobirama would be...

ive already stated many times that tobirama wasnt a complete dick but yet everyone is attacking him in favor of the uchiha, he didnt just segregate them for himself he did it for the whole village....

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read the lines, he said he was scared but anyone would be scared. it was his job as kage to take the mission and he wasnt gonna let hims team do it which is why he died saving them. if he...

Im praying yondaime isnt senju that would be retarded and would make bcoming a kage or super nin exclusively for senju and uchiha. We need at least one kage that isnt special or that throws the...

thats ridiculous. they are all connected by chance. they were all gifted nin who happened to work together there was no picking or choosing they were all gifted nin who wouldve got their position...