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  1. [Discussion] Re: Byakuya & Kenpachi ~ Rivalry, opposite characters, yet similar role in story.

    You keep missing my point, you state that Kenpachi only tanked Tosen's attack after he had become accustomed to his attacks, I don't dispute this but your point is entirely moot. Kenpachi did not...
  2. [Discussion] Re: Byakuya & Kenpachi ~ Rivalry, opposite characters, yet similar role in story.

    Your argument is that if Tosen dealt fatal blows at the very start of the fight he would kill Kenpachi, however Kenpachi tanked a "fatal" blow head on and was completely unscathed despite Tosen...
  3. [Discussion] Re: Byakuya & Kenpachi ~ Rivalry, opposite characters, yet similar role in story.

    Proof that Tosen was desperate to win the fight:
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-602-4/bleach/chapter-148.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/94-602-13/bleach/chapter-148.html...
  4. [Discussion] Re: Byakuya & Kenpachi ~ Rivalry, opposite characters, yet similar role in story.

    I don't disagree that the Espada were massive failures, however from what we have seen up to the start of this arc, I believe Byakuya wouldn't defeat Grimmjow. Byakuya was only conscious after the...
  5. [Discussion] Re: Byakuya & Kenpachi ~ Rivalry, opposite characters, yet similar role in story.

    Kenpachi lost to Shikai Ichigo, I won't argue that point, I will argue that he mysteriously got a huge power up afterwards. We can clearly see this, a Bankai Hichigo struggled with Grimmjow while...
  6. [Discussion] Re: Byakuya & Kenpachi ~ Rivalry, opposite characters, yet similar role in story.

    Renji survived ok. He was not in for as long as Byakuya but the point remains, if it was as difficult as you say Renji wouldn't of been able to survive in the hot springs. Also how do we know that...
  7. [Discussion] Re: Byakuya & Kenpachi ~ Rivalry, opposite characters, yet similar role in story.

    Everything you wrote illustrates how well Byakuya fans purposely downplay Kenpachi to make Byakuya look better.



    What comparative gauge do we have to show that what Byakuya withstood is...
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    [Question] Re: How strong is Byakuya?

    Even if Byakuya was surprised the first time, Ichigo demonstrated the ability to completely speedblitz him a second time. So surprise can't be the reason he couldn't defend himself rather he...
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    [Question] Re: How strong is Byakuya?

    There are some leaps in your logic. Firstly, the only inconsistent power is Kenpachi. It was fully explained why his power is inconsistent. Byakuya does not have this luxury.

    Also, Ichigo's Bankai...
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    [Question] Re: How strong is Byakuya?

    Can't believe this thread is still going.

    @ Duniak

    I think your wasting your time dude, from my experience, Byakuya fans only take into account the latter part of the fight when Ichigo becomes...
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    [Question] Re: How strong is Byakuya?

    You claimed that Kenpachi blocked an attack yet Tesla had no injuries, I disproved that and showed you that Tesla did receive minor damage by Kenpachi's blade. I am not saying that the damage output...
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    [Question] Re: How strong is Byakuya?

    Yes Byakuya will probably get an insane power up, comparable to Kenpachi? Have to wait and see.



    Shinji was defeated by Bambi's Vollstandig while using Shikai. Byakuya was defeated by his own...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    Superiority matters because it's my point.



    Of course you wouldn't agree but the fact that Bankai Ichigo is greater than Bankai Byakuya is irrefutable and shown quite plainly in the manga. As...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    Lol by a petal? What about all the other times he could of killed him? My point is to illustrate that Bankai Byakuya is far inferior to Bankai Ichigo, given the fact that the fight was pretty much...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    Lol any damage that was done was because Ichigo allowed it to happen. The only reason Ichigo got damaged was because the pressure of his Bankai was crushing his bones. Thus making him move slower....
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    Dominating Ichigo? Go back and read the fight Fire. Ichigo could of killed Byakuya three times. Even Byakuya wonders why Ichigo took the blade away from his neck, yet he tries to pass it off as a...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    Well we kinda do know actually, after Ichigo ripped the mask off, Byakuya states he does not have enough strength to prolong the fight. Also Byakuya couldn't keep up with Hichigo, he got speedblitzed...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    She had a few cuts and bruises but not enough that her fighting ability was impaired. She was also just using a Sealed sword, she hadn't even gone Shikai. Btw have you read my previous posts?


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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    I would argue Berserk Hollow mode is actually stronger. He went from being owned by Ulquiorra to literally destroying him.



    Nah dude, they fought for a couple of seconds and then Hichigo...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap5sOGZq07E

    1st time: 11.45
    2nd time: 15.08



    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-673-12/bleach/chapter-219.html

    It's obviously a hollowfied Ichigo in Bankai. They...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    Byakuya lost within seconds of fighting Bankai Ichigo. The Visored fought a hollowfied Bankai Ichigo. Byakuya survived because Ichigo tore his mask off. So it's not a feat of strength when a Bankai...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    It was also stated by Shinji that if Hichigo ran out of time they would have to kill him. You also completely glossed over what I said. I will state it again:

    They were exhausted because they were...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Discussion / 563 Predictions

    They each lasted longer than Byakuya. VC as well as Captains. To say they would of bit the dust is also baseless, they where not fighting to kill/defeat Hichigo just to subdue him, hence why they...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 562 Spoiler Discussion

    Pretty much. I'm all for Renji getting a power up but to highlight it by throwing the Vizard under the bus is disappointing. Especially considering Shikai Renji is now greater than two Bankai...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    He obviously didn't care if Mask knew or not since he outright told him what his Bankai did. So what would Rose be suspicious of?
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    It's just that Rukia is not there when Renji arrives so I assumed they parted ways(could be wrong). That and for some reason I can just see Rukia fight As Nodt and then Byakuya comes in to save the...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    I think that's likely. I reckon Renji will defeat Mask but not without help. Think about it, Mask in base form defeated 3 borderline Captain VC and outright defeated a Bankai Kensei, all in his base...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    Even if Renji defeats Mask next week I don't think that would make him stronger than Rose, Kensei probably, but not Rose. Rose's Bankai, whatever way you look at it is hax. If Rose didn't tell Mask...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    Now I'm going from memory here so correct me if I'm wrong. Sajin as far as we know, has no weakness. He stated he was immortal, he stated why he was immortal and he stated that Bambi's bombs would...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    Yes but that's if the knuckle connects. His Bankai requires him to get in close to an opponent. Compare him to other Captains Toshiro, Soifon, Byakuya, how would that work? Even other Captains Shikai...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    I'm not counting the Visored out yet nor am I saying that we have seen everything they have to offer but does anyone think Kensei's Bankai is really, really weak. I mean if you compare him to other...
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    [Chapter] Re: Bleach 561 Discussion / 562 Predictions

    I liked this chapter even if disappointed about the Visored. They can't seem to catch a break,especially Kensei, he has been getting owned since he has been introduced. I'm hoping that they will...
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    [Question] Re: How strong is Byakuya?

    To say that Byakuya is a top tier, high level Captain, in the top 5, is ultimately unfounded especially when you actually consider that we haven't seen the majority of other Captains Bankai and a lot...
  34. [Question] Re: Are good guys going to get relevant power ups that actually make a difference?

    To answer your question, I think the answer is a very big NO. It's not even just now, all throughout Shippuden the only characters who we have seen getting stronger is the Ino - Shika - Cho trio. The...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    I agree. The fight would of been very different had Aizen not had Hogyoku. However, Kisuke still managed to catch him by surprise several times. He was surprised by the portable Gigai. He had no idea...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    They are definitely avoidable, but as we can see from the fight with Aizen, Kisuke always used a decoy rather than attacking head on. He managed to deceive Aizen several times, whether using a...
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    [Question] Re: How strong is Byakuya?

    First of all Kenpachi =/= Byakuya. Kenpachi's power varies, as seen when he went from doing no damage to actually wounding Nnoitra. Also if you read ahead to the next chapter you would see that...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    Well as far as binding goes he can use Bakudō #61. Rikujōkōrō, Bakudō #63. Sajō Sabaku and Bakudō #79. Kuyō Shibari. He can also use Crimson Princess of Binding. Attack wise he can use Hadō #91....
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    [Question] Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    I agree he was protecting his VC. But we can also see that Mask connected with with his Shikai.



    He had small cuts. His hand wasn't impaired, maimed or in bad condition.



    Do you even...
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    [Question] Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    Mask still connected with the blades and was completely unscathed. Also your point about "defending" with his Shikai, isn't a feat. Byakuya intercepted Mask. If Mask had attempted to overpower or...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    Well he has shown himself to be incredibly fast, mastery with Kido, analyzing and negating attacks and his intellect is unsurpassed. If anyone could fare well against Shunsui's Shikai, due to his...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    Being pretty much a master at everything and probably the most intelligent man in the series, I think he deserves a top spot. I'm not saying for a certainty that he would win, far from it, but I do...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    As you stated his Shikai did nothing against Mask. After it cut As Nodt, Mask told him to not let his blut get torn so easily. Also your assumption that his Shikai could do significant damage...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    I will sum up my argument briefly, can you demonstrate that Byakuya's Shikai can damage anyone to a significant degree?
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    First off, Sky in Bankai form grazed Yammy. Secondly Ichigo tanked Sky and Senkei which is offensively stronger than Sky. Thirdly, my point is to highlight is Bankai's lack of offensive power which...
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    Re: Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    In regards to Yama and Aizen, I do think Yama is stronger yet the nature of Aizen's Shikai is incredibly broken. I thought once you are under KS your pretty much screwed, that's why the Captains said...
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    Ranking of Captains - No Bankai

    I know there is a ranking of Captains thread, but thought I would add a spin too it. Since we don't know the majority of Captains Bankai I thought it would be interesting to see how Captains would...
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    [Discussion] Re: Strongest Shinigami in Bleach

    Well I think we have pretty much established Yama is the strongest. After that though, it's a toss up, imo, between Shunsui and Retsu. I don't include Jushiro because of his illness I don't know if...
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    [Discussion] Re: Strongest Shinigami in Bleach

    Aizen, who stomped nearly every Captain, said that he would of lost to him before he subjugated the Hogyoku. He was also the one who actually stopped Aizen in the end. How is he not outstandingly...
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    [Discussion] Re: Strongest Shinigami in Bleach

    I don't see what's difficult to comprehend. Aizen is one of the most powerful shinigami, he stated that he would of lost to Kisuke before he subjugated the Hogyoku. Why put Aizen on the list and not...
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