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I feel we might be heading towards a Darth Vader moment... the big bad Madara (Palpetine) has Naruto (Luke Skywalker) on the ropes and Obito throws him down a Kamui hole (being careful to avoid the...

I had mentioned this several chapters ago... But after reading this chapter I also think that it might just be a lame metaphor for him coming with a Sasuke who is not like he used to be.:-_-

Also I'm sure Orochimaru will want to see the legendary power of Hashirama and Madara in person, and that aside he will not want to be controlled by Madara's genjutsu.. thats still not to say he...

Or it could simply be the present of Sasuke (which is a bit lame but for Naruto it would be the biggest gift)

I think I mustn't have explained my thoughts wrong sorry - what I mean is he showed Hashirama a glimpse at something left to obviously guide both sides (yin/yang....Uchiha/Senju) to the point where...

I think Izanagi was used (note the MS in the panel before he drops) but then we have the dilema of how did both of his eyes become Rinnegan if he used Izanagi? lol :s

I agree about him not supporting Madara etc, but then I'm also torn about how it was Sasukes father who planned the coup d'etat so who knows... I am pretty sure that after Hashiramas explination that...

As I understand it was Hiruzen who was one of Tobirama's team members along with Danzou... now I mention it tho Danzou does have an air of Tobirama about him...

I made some adjustments :p

*edit* We all know Hashirama is an expert at using his wood...

I'm just imagining the MH admins as Orochimaru's in the Rock Lee spring time series at the moment.... Which is quite amusing :D

Of course :D but then we also don't know the reason for which Edo Tensei was created, perhaps it was for reviving a dead Hashirama? it's also kinda weird that Tobirama was killed in the way he was -...

Man.... I have to say some people seem to be able to magic things up which have not been in the manga at all... Tobirama being able to "see" cells ? hmmm kinda out there if you ask me! it has only...

Personally I believe the flashback in this case is very very much needed and a massivley welcome break from the current ninja war which is dragging on, the main reason being that we will have *some*...

Prediction :

The Uchiha planned to use Izuna to upgrade Madara's power by handing over his eyes without Madara being fully aware of the plot

Really, I have to say that although we all pretty much know the direction of whats being told, its making a nice change compared to some recent chapters which Kishi did which seemed very poorly...

Myself, I'm of the opinion that Madara was every bit pwerful enough to pull off PS without any help from the 9 tails or Hashiramas cells, especially as nothing has been shown to show proof of him...

Well Hashirama is goofy no doubt, but when serious he is completely different, I think Tobirama may have a hand to play in it.. he seems devious compared to his brother and very anti Uchiha (and was...

Same - in the panel where Izuna gives the eyes he's smiling like he's working behind a counter in a shop... all too happy to hand his eyes over in the name of good customer service!

That aside,...

Can see your logic about genjutsu vs Minato... but he had not been wiitness to Obito with the use of a sharingan, plus it was a good while down the time line so I would say it is more that when it...

I'm agreeing a lot tonight :p Kishi is just establishing the entwined history of the uchiha/senju and another senju based clan(Uzumaki) as to show this as the age old conflict at the center of the...

With you again here... if we look at the panel when he went to the 9 tails :

http://i15.mangareader.net/naruto/568/naruto-2929577.jpg

"OBEY" is the only order given, if this is litteral, then...

M3J pretty much nails it- everything is situational based, then all other factors come in to it like user skill/target skill etc etc as I mentioned before... The only exception which has been...

Really all genjutsu boils down to is the level of the type of genjutsu used (personally I think the strongest seen is Inanami) vs the ability of the target to resist/counter the genjutsu user, even a...

His plan has seemed pretty destructive so far to get to this point :p

Well... if we think about it... we only see Madara using one technique... Susano'o ;) nothing else is used, so I think he isnt really burning all his reserves, using them more cleverly I would say by...

Which is what I enjoy :D I would still say that the 9 tails was forced to be a battle aid - nowhere has it been mentioned that Madara needed any other power for perfect Susano'o infact Madara...

I'm not sure if you are reading a different story to me, or if I have strayed so far from the common concensus that what you are saying is valid, granted we all have our unique opinions on what we...

You are over complicating your analysys of things on all of your posts... the bottom line is Madara is strong enough that he don't need Kurama OR Hashiramas cells to use something so epic as PS,...

Actually... Madara even said to the 5 Kage's "it was said anyone who sees it dies" which means it had been previously used when he didnt have Hashiramas cells when fighting Hashirama, and from his...

Or... the short version.... Madara used PS against the 5 Kages *without* Kurama... no 9tails power source needed for Madaras PS.

Naruto in his tailed beast form with Sasuke's Susano surrounding ? both inside of the 9tails cloak with Susano armor.... just a thought

Especially if the Juubi is ticklish :p

This flashback will show Sasuke how he and Naruto are just his generations Madara and Hashirama - I'm just hoping that Kishi dont use the lame "I'm killing Naruto, not you Madara!" plotline.
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Yea, the humid bone forest if I remember right - but either way Hashirama has a natural affinity with his Mokuton, I'd just love to see Naruto and Hashirama together.. wonder how Narutos mokuton...

Perhaps the sage modes are all the same in that they all make use of natures energy, but depending on who/how you are taught you gain certain traits like the toad eyes etc.. So maybe Hashiramas is...

Remembered this panel... kinda similar to Hashiramas sage mode lol ...

Yea it was the same technique but Orochimaru's was a triple rashoumon and Hashirama had 5, still kinda cool seeing where the jutsu comes from.

On a side note.. if Obito dies... we might see Madara...

I agree EMS - it will follow the same thread which a good few of the main characters have :

Naruto/Sasuke
Jiraiya/Orochimaru
Kakashi/Obito

and probably more, I just cant spring any more to...

Trying to put it simply... I would say a genius is a shinobi who excells far beyond that of a normal member of the village forces in all manner of respects, but sometimes it can be a clan trait...

For a spoiler just as accurate we could do that game where the next poster fills in the next part of the story from where the previous person left off - and it would still make more sense than google...

I agree... moving through the earth via water perhaps

Really the MASSIVE chakra was Hashiramas... they all got worried at Tobiramas... But when Hashirama got serial... they all were put in place (Epic moment! :D )

Well, despite the asspulls (first...

In a nutshell.....

Epic chatper was : EPIC

Bluntly put, Kishi wth this direction has returned to early Naruto awesomeness... a sprinkle of Orochimaru + old Hokages = Naruto as it should be.
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Hashirama + Naruto's Mokuton changing abilities might make a good combo :p

Zetsu also makes a lot more sense now... we learned previously that they were basic Hashirama clones, and that the black Zetsu was Madaras will within one, but after seeing how Hashirama was in this...

Hmmmmm just thinking.... Previous Hokages join the fight (plus perhaps current) Hashirama Mokuton + Nartuto Mokuton boosting chakra would be an interesting combo :p

Hashirama : "Tobirama!! water...

Madaras Hashirama cells = Generic cola
Hashiramas Hashirama cells = Coca-Cola

Basides, Madaras knowledge of mokuton will be based on what he saw hashirama pull out... Tho saying that Madara also...

But at the same time Orochimaru wants Sasuke, why would he make Sasuke more powerful if he wants another try at taking him over? ;)

They would have no motive to make Sasuke stronger, its not like he has Konohas best interests at heart... the thing which interested me is this page tho :
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Think of it this way :

Hashirama : There at the founding of Konoha - can give Sasuke insight in to the beginings of the clan he knew (the Uchiha of Konoha and not the lone war clan for hire.)......