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Let's face facts: a good portion of those posts on the AS chapter forums were OT, Teresa vs Priscilla (or such) rants and raves. It was fun for awhile, but grew tedious towards the end. It's small wonder the mods decided to retire the anime forum and condense talk down to the single manga thread which, unsurprisingly, is practically dead. The discussions here, on MH, seem to stay more On-Topic. Usually.
I'm not complaining that we no longer have to live with them breathing down our necks, but I never saw the camaraderie and laissez-faire fun as tedious....that place had life in it- it was fun and we all knew eachother closely.....long after the anime was closed, our little sub-forum stayed through thick and thin, with the explosive debates, trouble with the occasional idiot, pictures and gifs....we created memes of our own (the oldest being "GET IN THE CAR!!!") for goodness sake. I said many times before that Claymore itself wasn't even what it was all about...it was simply what drew us there together: the main draw, was simply the friendships with everybody.
I'm not saying this place isn't, or couldn't be, as fun....just that, point blank, what we had was something special -- it's a shame that it all had to end, and I of all people was the catalyst, but well.....
Bah, enough nostalgia, the new chapter is about to come out.
The mods closed down the AS forum because Gooral broke their hearts and hurt their feelings. Called them names and stuff.
Yeah, I like that explanation better. Also not to mention they stir shit up.
To make my post more related: wens ze nex chaptor out!/!?
Since people seem to be interested in the AS drama let me sum it up. It all started with this post. I've presented several ideas that could re-animate Claymore sub-forum (so I've basically asked for threads like this and this) but they were considered either uninteresting or against their policy. The second reason I questioned, showing them examples where this policy wasn't being enforced (Saimoe survivor + Treasure Hunter game + games in various sub-forums, e.g. in Gundam thread). As for other ideas I've tried to reason with them but it ended with Solace being hurt and showing that he has the power and that we should be grateful that Claymore forum wasn't closed. Just read all the posts starting from mine.
There was no name calling on my part (although someone has openly laughed at moderators but his post was deleted) but too many people started agreeing with me (some of the posts were deleted without a trace by administrator who suddenly decided to jump in and stop Solace from humiliating himself any further). In the end Solace "lost his face" (you can laugh but it was enough for him to close the forum), several people were banned (most temporarily) and forum got closed. The funny thing is, shortly after the closing, contrary to what Solace said (that people lost interest in Claymore which was official reason for forums closure) next chapters got much more views on Mangahelpers than most previous ones on Animesuki and chapter 126 beat the absolute record with over 100 000 views. And many people from AS did not migrate from AS so I imagine that if AS was still open and moderators would do their jobs (like opening threads on time instead of a week later) it would reach 150k there.
Here's a piece of info that might shed some more light on this matter:
I was banned after sending that. Draw your own conclusions.
Solace was also the one who needed a lot of convincing to create a Translation thread. My post was the one that finally convinced him but he needed many people and a lot of time (just compare the dates between mine and Solace's post I'm quoting and if you go there you will see that first requests started many years before that) to realize that. BTW, we should copy such a thread here, it could come in handy.
Last edited by Goral; February 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM.
I am reading this and I cannot believe it... I cannot believe it how stupid that moderator is. Just...LOL...
Holy Terra... I am moderator too for one of wh40k Facebook groups ( over 3,000 members ) and I can say this: job of us moderators is not just to enforce the law and protect our members - but also to inspire people and make the group/site more fun and active. This men is an idiot, he don't allow games and manga discussion? I am sorry but aren't anime and manga essentially the same thing the only difference being that one is motion picture while the other is graphic novel? So what if you wanted to start a game or manga thread? Admins should be there to support that, making their site more fun and attracting more members. people don;t go to forums just to discuss and too see new chapters - people are also coming to have some fun, play games, put characters in duels, writing fan fictions, telling jokes and even going into small time flame wars ( all in good nature of course ) - this is such unprofessionalism that no words can't explain the fail.
Yup, a typical case of bad moderation/administration, I mean... I also had problem few times while working as admin but never had I reacted like this guy... You should totally write to other moderator to replace him and to put manga threads too because manga is important too.
Just declaring my standpoint first. Since I have never been part of this, I probably don't get the hang of the full extent of the situation, and any views I'm about to voice out are subject to bias and misunderstanding. If so please point it out to me.
Now, I've never been a mod for a forum so I'll be speaking as an average forum participant. While I understand very well every mod has their individuality, another way of saying they're people who will speak due to differently motivated mindsets (whether for self or public interest,) forgive me but I'll be targetting a specific group of mods whom the community generally deem 'harsh' and 'dictorial.'
Here's my ignorant understanding of what moderators should be: A member of the forum who has shown and deemed reliable in certain aspects, specifically characteristics that promote enrichment of the community, thus is granted administrative powers to assisting the growth of the forum.
Shown and deemed reliable...: Their posting record has shown excellence in certain aspects, and not only are they trusted to continue to provide no less in the future, they should be regular participants for 1) continual moderating; 2) up-to-date understanding "of the workings of the forum" + "of issues at hand."
Certain aspects/Characteristics that promote...: Depending on the general aim of the forum, this may include sense of logic, sense of justice, vigilance, authoritative tone, favours order, amiability, sociability, desire to help fellow members, ability to provide a casual and easygoing atmosphere, etc. Different forums prioritises a different combination of the above. However, I will be assuming most or all of these in my following discussion.
Assisting the growth...: Again, the aim of the forum determines what 'growth' means to them. And most likely, this 'growth' is related to the above pointer.
Individuality of mods
Mods aren't machines in diguise of human, and humans could change in various ways, in ways they notice, in ways they don't realise. "Understanding their role" and "understanding of their role" in the community also varies from mod to mod. And forgetting their initial understanding is not an exception to the change. However, let me explain the difference between the above two in quotation marks. Some mods may understand their role given to them, while other mods may have a personal understanding of their role given to them. I would like to focus on the latter as this is seemingly a paradoxical issue that generates a lot of the problems between a normal member of the forum and a member with moderating capabilities granted to their accounts.
Funnily enough, while mods aren't machines in human disguise, there are mods who are in machine disguise. Burying their minds in a self-dug mound called "standards," complying to their sense of "self-absolutism," while rejecting the greater voice of the community, is nothing but authoritarianism. Not only do they deny a well-supported cause in favour of a single person's point of view, reasoned with biases, they also fail to grasp a good understanding of the rest of the members who (surprise surprise!) makes up the community (eg. opening up a thread on time; creating a thread as suggested.) This is a good case of confusing the "need to sound authoritative" and the "act of authoritatirianism," thereby putting off existing members who mostly come from a democratic background.
Just to add, I do believe the need to sound authoritative is necessary in extreme cases, for example, an outright warning to abusive or discriminative members. Should the individual not comply, mods may resort to necessary authority as dictated by forum-rules. However, the need to sound authoritative should not be misused in discussing subjective issues such as, "I personally think this thread is pointless." Any act of authority spawning from a misjudgement or misuse of authoritative language on the moderator's part will mostly likely lead to unfair treatment. Members should be free to discard their pride and apologise, just as members with moderating capabilities to admit their fault. Members are free to discuss what's good and preferable for the community they make up and participate in, just as members with moderating capabilities are free to discuss their support or opposure to an idea for the community they participate in. Members should respect all participants of the forum, just as members with moderating capabilities to respect all participants of the forum. While I don't really agree with straghtforward swearing and insults, constructive arguments based on personal reasoning and self-justification should you feel you have been misunderstood are two major components of free speech. Unlike insults and swearing, I personally believe this is not misusing the rights to speak freely in any way, as the banning seems to suggest.
While I'm on the topic of respect, a mod has written the following:
A clear case of authoritarianism vs constructive argument.Quote:
While I understand people are different from one to another, certain forum participants are inconveniently given moderating capabilities and hence the opportunity to let out some steam and have a go at being king and
Right I'm gonna stop writing because 136 has come out and damn now that's a major revelation right there.......!!!!!
Thanks for pointing it out. Think I've made a mistake without even noticing it, while moving other posts . It's fixed now - Ancy
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I dunno what's going on at AS, but if there's no ongoing Claymore anime why would there be a CM section on Anime Suki at all?
The message there saying the CM section of their forum was retired is dated to 2012-03-02, did they reopen it then close it again or summat?
And if you aren't happy with moderation on other forums do what everyone else does, start your own on ZetaBoards or somewhere. I remember people were starting their own CM forum and portal before then abandoned it, maybe because they overestimated people's interest when people's interest had peaked long ago. Which maybe explains why AS decided to close the section lol.
And Goral, may I ask if your ancestors came from the Carpathians? I'm just curious.
Last edited by Ancy; February 28, 2013 at 04:49 PM.
Easily one of my favourite mangas of all time.
I began reading it a few years ago, then lost where I was due to exams. Then, just last year, I reread it all and am currently up to date. Can't wait for the next chapter.
o_o Victoria's Secret.. good one
This doesn't have to do anything with "Claymore" except for the sword from witch they are called like that.
But nevertheless, it's awesome:
We will soon be launching Bleach Tournament - Second Edition. We are looking forward for your participation. Here is the LINK to check out whats happening in Bleachverse
24th volume will come out in June (and BTW, chapter 138th will be the first one from volume 25).
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It looks like scanlation will be out really soon because of the golden week, someone has Jump SQ already: