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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Does anybody think that some of the more powerful arrancar have a level after there zanpaktou released state like a bankai.
Well how i see it is that the arrancar are vasto lordes (and the one gillian) that have been transformed via the orb of distortion and once this has happend they have looked human except for the remenats of their mask. When they release their zanpaktou they seem to gain armour or offence things such as claws which i think starts to resemble more of there orginal hollow form so i think if they do have some form of bankai it will release more of their hollow nature become more beastial nature go berserk.
I dunno if its likely but its interesting to think about does any one have any thoughts on this
It's an interesting notion, but I think the Espadas normal releases are likely just as powerful, if not moreso, than the average captain's Bankai. Also, I suspect the only existing Vasto lorde at the moment is Ulquiorra, with the other 8 being Ajucas.
I highly doubt it. The reason is that Arrancar powers are their true form not a separate entity like zanpakutos. You see, both shikai and bankai are levels of the zanpakuto not the shinigami while the arrancar's release is the ultimate level of their own powers.
Actually, Silhouette, Renji says pretty early on that a zanpakuto is the form of a shinigami's true power. "a zanpakuto can change size and shape depending on the spiritual strength of the owner. This is... my true strength" (referring to zabimaru).
The only difference is that a shinigami NATURALLY has the power inside them, in a form they cannot use. And so learning how to fuel that power into a sword to make it a zanpakuto, learning to synchonize with it for shikai, and dominate it for bankai, those are the things that allow the shinigami to bring out their true power in a SEPERATE form.
Arrancar bring out their true power onto themselves, not seperate at all. This has advantages and disadvantages of course. While some shinigami, like Hitsugaya, might have their bankais hanging off of them, it still isn't part of their body. Destroying the form of the bankai might prevent the shinigami from attacking with it, but it doesn't hurt the shinigami themselves. However, the arrancar release IS part of their body. It allows for supreme control, power, and defense, at the cost of vulnerability and size.
That all being said, I think the espada won't have a second release. I think quite the reverse. They'll actually learn moves for their non-release swords. They'll gain a shikai. This would be IMMENSELY useful, cause it means they don't have such a large gap between their regular, and their release power, which means they won't be pressed to release NEARLY as often.
I think Noitra has his shikai allready, and that's why it's so wierd shaped. I think the same applies to Cirucci (who was a former #5 espada) and Gantenbein (who was a former #9 espada).
Though the hou gyoku makes the arrancarization process instant, and perfect, it does not teach them abilities. We've seen only two abilities invented by the arrancar. Sonido (which is rudimentary) and Bala. Any other ability we see appears to be release specific. This could be an indicator that arrancar, like Shinigami, need to learn Zanjutsu. I imagine Yammy, and Ulquiorra would not be the sort to spend a lot of time learning their sword skills. Grimmjow might learn some of them, but he doesn't seem too interested in it. We do, however, see that Noitra has a strange sword, Stark has a strange handle. Tesla has a sword that turns into a shield....
I think we'll see shikais instead of bankais.
quite interesting and does sound like the truth platypus
Ulquiorra is espade 4 this means atleast three more vasta lords. to the question at hand I think not go idea though.
yea most of the espada are adjuchas and there are probrably only 4 vasto lordes...maybe 5. if the cincuenta espada is shown to us
I wonder what Menos Grande rank is Grimmjow. He is pretty strong if he's a Adjuchas unless he's a Vasto Lorde.
imo grimmjaw is an adjuchas the difference in power between Uli (no4) and grimmjaw (no6) is massive. if we look back at what happened to grimmjaw when he was hit by a getsuga from a masked ichigo, it hurt him bad; compared to a scratchless Uli from the same attack.
Personally I don't think Grimmjaw would be so cocky towards Ulquiorra if they were in different classes, if they are both Vasto Lordes then their difference in strength can change (Noitora seems to be below no.1 but believes he should be no.1, this suggests that the ranking only judges their current state and not their potential). Ill also add that Grimmjaw although hot-headed knows when to back down when outclassed, as was the case when Tousen cut off his arm and Aizen threatened him.
Personally I think that Halibel,Noitora,Ulquiorra,(the unnamed one with the spikes up his head) and Wonderweice are Vasto Lordes with Grimmjaw and one other being potential Vasto Lordes. (Yes I know Ajuchas are meant to be more numerable within Hueco Mundo than Vasto Lordes but not necessarily within the Espada and since Kubo set the magic Vasto Lorde number at 10 to defeat Soul Society I think the actual number should be near). One last note, since Yammi is almost certianly an Ajuchas from those head spikes there could alot of Ajuchas Fraccions or numbered Arrankaru.
Finally onto topic, I hope the Vasto Lordes have a Bankai type ability, defining the Arrankaru into classes may be a way for Kubo to excuse some to have such a form. Also if you were to mirror Hueco Mundo to Soul Society, the Vasto Lordes would be the captains of Hueco Mundo...maybe I just wanna see a page with Ulquiorra and the words Ban--Kai! accross a speech bubble or two, those pages always kick ass
Last edited by AzureJahk; May 11, 2007 at 05:36 PM. Reason: oops typos :P
alot of information is unknown about the arrancer and tbh i was expecting more to be revealed by this current arc. there is a possibility that Uli is a defensive specialist therefore he can block ridiculous attacks easly relative to his counterparts. as i said there is alot unknown unfortunatly
during the girmmjow and ichigo 2nd fight (the one where shinji helps out). grimmjow was about realease, he said "grind" and Uli stopped him.