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I was just wondering..... Do you people think that Aizen, Tousen and Ichimaru have already become Vizards?
Please feel free to defend/justify your opinion.
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Last edited by igotthegoods; July 14, 2008 at 01:30 AM.
we dont actualy know that, uptill now it doesnt seem that way as no arrancer has ever heard off the existence off the vaizard (even the vasto lodre did not), and i presume aizen did or any of the others 2 did show their real power to atleast a few arrancar to make them follow aizen (and him showing he is willing to use hollow powers would make the arrancer more loyal)
It is possible now, for Gin and Tousen at least. At this point we know that Aizen can force the Hougyouku to be temporarily fully awake using his own power to full it. So I wouldnt see why he wouldnt give tousen and gin a boost now that they know it will give them the complete effect. Aizen however would probably be the only one stronger enough to fuel the Hougyoku in such a way so there would be no way to use it on himself.
Poll Status: No leads by one.
Not sure if they are by now or waiting to get the max potential.
I say no because that there what the jewel at full power
I can only think of 3 reasons, 1 of them being the one you stated :
- we don't know if Gin and Tousen would obtain enough reiatsu
- even if they had enough reiatsu, we don't know if they would be able to control their hollow's reiatsu, which could prevent them from using the hougyoku correctly on Aizen
- Aizen doesn't completely trust Gin and Tousen and is afraid they would betray him now that they have become vizards
If Aizen used the Hyougyoku on himself (if it's possible), it would weaken him, which could put him in danger if his hollow tried to take control (and a hollow with Aizen's powers must be really scary).
That's just an idea but Aizen probably only knows how the transformation of hollow into arrancar works (if he indeed knows how it works). What if the process of transformation of shinigamis to vizards was different ? Aizen might be interested in Ichigo because he wants to recruit him but perhaps he (also) wants to learn how the hybridisation takes place from him.
- the hollow part is a part of the shinigami (shinigami is king in the realm)
- hollow part is becoming stronger and becomes king
- hollow part is trying to take over shinigami
- shinigami goes to innerworld and devours hollow
thats what we know as ichigo went through that, however we dont know how a hollow does transform into a arrancar (As in removing his mask partialy). We do know that a shinigami part is subtitute to the owner as in not willing to control the body but simply help the owner and making him the strongest one around, on the other hand the hollow part is exactly the opposite he will always try to take over the owner his body and as hollows are in control of their hollow part it would not be that hard to take control over the shinigami part. this is simply a theory.
now back to the real point, if aizen would use hougyoku on himself or on gin or tousen (tousen would be the most reliable as tousen needs a leader to be able to kill someone in the name in justice) we would not know if they would be instant vizards or if they would need to go through the fase in devouring their hollow and kick it back under their arse to mount them. and if they would need to go through such a fase there would be no one controlling the arrancar and the only thing that keeps the arrancar from betraying and killing aizen, gin and tousen is the strenght and the lack of fear of aizen (as the arrancar would easy crush gin and tousen)
Hollow + Hoygyuo = Completely new being, Hollow-side dominant (Arrancar)
Shinigami <--> Inner Hollow awakened and subjugated = A Shinigami who can temporarily use Hollow powers, but remains a Shinigami as a default, ie. NOT a new being.
Shinigami + Hoygyuo = ?
That is why I vote "no". No one knows what would happen were Hoygyuo used on a Shinigami.
hollows could always become strong by becoming menos either growing to gillians, adjuchas or vasto lodre so the only hollows that would desire more power instead of first growing to the level of a vasto lodre are the vasto lodre themself and as there are only as many as captain level shinigami (at the most else they would had attacked SS already if there where significant more vasto lodre then there are shinigami captain levels).
I'll put it this way: They aren't ALL Vaizards now. I think just Aizen is.
Well, I don't think the only way to get Vaizard powers is with Hogyoku. I mean, how did everyone else get theirs, then?
they did get it with experimenting on themself, aizen admitted himself that he was unable to go to the next level of power (as in becoming a vaizard), as he also failed in every way to create an arrancar (as the ways to achieve either of them will moslty look alike, and not saying the are identical but probably through a similair experiment). So if aizen is unable to create an arrancar how would he even be able to make a vaizard (this is mere speculation so dont see this as a fact)