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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
I dont think hisage's fear of his zanpaktou is taken as "afraid" of his zanpaktou but more respect, and the appreciation that it is a deadly weapon. it ties into his philosophies of walking "the path with the least bloodshed" as for everything I pretty much agree with you other than the dependence of bankai for captainship. bankais are meant to be really rare. the fact that so many people have them this generation is rare. shinji didnt use a bankai on aizen, nor yama ji nor the two sword twins. its possible not every captain has.
to become a captain one needs bankai to be able to take the captain test, the only exception ever known in ss is the kenpachi.
One must be able to do both shikai and Bankai in order to become a Captain.
In other words, every captain can do Bankai, except for Kenpachi. Kenpachi is the only one in the long history of soul society, who has become a captain without even knowing the name of his soul cutter.
Kenpachi became a captain by killing the previous 11th squad captain in front of 200 or more members of the 11th division, which is the third method of becoming a Captain.
All the other Captains have Bankai.
Last edited by Jackk; November 12, 2010 at 01:51 AM.
Renji will be a captain when we get back to soul society. Their maybe another person who we don't know. It never stated that a person who entered the Goti has to be a captain.
This is an scenario I would get a laugh from:
New 9th captain: Hey hisagi, WTH?
hisagi: What do you mean?
new 9th captain: I noticed every time you fight you are ready to run and hesitate to attack.
hisagi: yes, I am always read to take half a step back wh....
New 9th captain: what the fuck? Give me that VC badge, I don't need a woos for a VC, GTF out of here, I need someone who has my back.
It would be funny to see some hilarious characters to take Captain seats like Hanatarou from the 4th squad. It would be deffinetly Kubo's style.
it not a wimpy thing to do.
hisagi only hesitatant coz it was his mentor tousen who he thort was his friend n looked out for him after he wounded his eye...not that he a wimp
Hisagi is afraid of his zanpaktou
Urahara : Whats neccesary in a fight isnt fear , nothing can be born from that .
This coming from the smartest shinigami and a strong one at that .
So if hisagi cant get rid of this fear i dont think he can actually be a captain or even learn bankai .
right now there are people with potential (of the characters we know, that is) but none who can actually be. unless, people like shinji are allowed to return to their posts... then none.
but then again with hitsugaya being a captain, pikachu could make it... dammit and i liked his character during the ss arc, but then he became all big words and no brains (let alone actual battle skills) so, i suppose they could let just about anyone
I wouldn't beat up on Hitsugaya too much...he could still pwn all of the lieutenants with ease and his power is still in it's infancy. It's difficult to say who'd be a new captain. I mean, Renji has a bankai and all, but how powerful is it really...Byakuya stopped without even using his shikai really and Aizen laughed at it...literally. The vizards and ex-captains aren't really big fans of soul society anymore, so it's unlikely they'd come back after 100 + years anyway. It's more likely that they'd bring someone in from outside almost like they did in the Amagai filler....maybe someone from the Shiba clan...who knows. Actually, she'd probably make a great captain...she's strong and scary enough...oh, I'm talking about Kaien Shiba's sister...I can't remember her name.
There could easily be other captain level people with other duties in SS. Lets just consider Urahara used to be the third seat of yoruichi's squad. I get the impression SS is a very by the book organization. Just because someone is strong does not mean he will get preferential treatment or asked to go beyond his duty for the most part. In that sense, there could have been captain level people who had other responsibilities hence why they did not take part in the past war for example.
Anyways, I stand by my opinion that even the seemingly talented VCs (kira, hisagi and renji mostly) are still worthless fodder compared to any of the actual captains and nowhere near being worthy of the position at least in terms of fighting capacity. Best case scenario for them is that the units with no captain are led by the VCs until people with a measure of strength show up or enough time goes by so that the apparently talented VCs can reach their potential.
Last edited by kkck; December 07, 2010 at 12:02 PM.
but, ever since that moment kubo has turned him into one of my least favourite characters ( but then again my favourite character is aizen.... i like psychotic machiavellian characters with a superiority complex who end up having major mental breakdowns and then locked away>>> and yes, it is a subtle hint to azula from avatar as well )
his speech about a captain's role and war... excuse me, that was childish and slightly frustrating; captain or not once you decide or even if forced by the circumstances to enter a fight then that's it. welcome to hell. and i really hate his i-will-protect-hinamori attitude.
Well, in all fairness hitsugaya did defeat harribel by grossly overpowering with his technique. Had it not been for wonderweiss she would have been screwed. Perhaps that is why aizen disposed of her lol. In that sense, I would think hitsugaya is grossly underestimated for the most part. Seriously, had it not been for WW, hitsugaya would have been the only captain who took out a espada without help in FKT (even shunsui took advantage of the distraction rose and love provided).
kkck agrees with me...two against one, I'm right your wrong...haha...just kidding. But I think Kubo still wants to exemplify to us the fact that Toshiro is still a child (a 50 year old child) but a child nonetheless. So even with all of his book smarts, the prodigy is still prone to emotional fits when the right buttons are pushed. And Aizen is the king of button pushing. Just reading the manga, there were a few times when I wanted to go bankai and pwn (I mean get pwned) by Aizen...haha.
But I think Gin and Toshiro have many similarities. I just think Gin over the years has realized that emotions (or at least the outwardly display of emotions) can be a burden as a shinigami which is why he's always followed his missions and kept people at somewhat of an arms length. Obviously his mission being to protect Matsumoto and kill Aizen (though why he waited until Deicide is beyond me). But I think Toshiro is on the same path as Gin when it comes to the emotional side of things and he'll probably eventually become more focus and less emotional. But just like Matsumoto kept Gin tethered to reality and the world, I think Hinamori does the same for Toshiro. They keep them grounded and are a constant reminder of their "humanity" for lack of a better term.
he is too immature to stand as a captain right now; look what happened with harribel: he uses a technique he has not mastered only to see that it was broken by a random dude. i am not saying that hitsugaya could have foreseen ww's arrival but what was plan b in case sth happened and plan a failed? (but then again soul society appeared in front of aizen fairly relaxed in terms of strategy.... 'what day we fight aizen? on the 25th duuude, relax, aaample time'). and then he gets all emotional creates an opening in his team's line/ part and everybody gets aizened.
and yes, it was hinamori and yes, ok, fine, he loves her... whatever!!! point is>>> why the hell all these people at the time were so certain they were pwning aizen so easily??? as the latter showed when facing shinji a good, if not the only, way to work your way out of an illusion is to analyse the effects of a current situation as logically as possible. all these captains thought it was possible to go ahead and win like thaaat... why the prodigy kid did not notice that sth was off... as i said the only reason i get so pissed is because i really thought he would be someone like mr. next captain-commander and so far... 0
just forgot to write, protecting sb and lending them strength are not one and the same, and in the end the first option is possibly the worst
Last edited by landundersea; December 07, 2010 at 03:33 PM. Reason: amnesia