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^ This. +10000000Originally Posted by Shaduge
Possibly yeah. In Four Devas arc he killed Amanto not humans so you're probably right. Of course he must have killed some traitors during the war but we've never seen it.Originally Posted by Shaduge
BTW, I'm not surprised that he killed someone who tried and kill his beloved Tsukky :].
On a different note, on the biggest Polish Gintama forum (although in the 392nd chapter thread) one of the female users had come up with (IMO) a better way of removing poison from Gintoki. She suggested that Tsukuyo could suck it along with the blood. Now that would be a sight I would like to see . She has also noticed where exactly Tsukuyo grabbed Gintoki. This arc shows that Tsukuyo x Gintoki pair is canon.
Well I can surely say that Sunrise did a marvellous job with this great arc. Everything seemed appropriate animation, pacing, the overall feeling,... it's really among the best arcs of Gintama.
Oh yeah here are the covers from the singles (op & ed)
Yep, amazing arc!
And I agree that this arc really makes me a fan of Gintoki X Tsukuyo
Especially when he gets shot and she rush towards him!
That was beyond awesome. I couldn't stop laughing while Nobume was thrown around... x'D
And the fight was so bad ass I can't describe it
great anime so.far, im on episode 7 and i am thoroughly enjoying it
im.surprised this anime isnt amongst the big names, the story and characters are awesome so.far
Gintama is a huge name. Gintama seasons account for three of the six highest rated anime at My Anime List. http://myanimelist.net/topanime.php
I'm still thinking that Gintama anime is a huge franchise even though we do not use MAL's popularity polls as measurement. I posted here a month ago, Gintama sales combined (Gintama, Gintama', and Gintama Ensouchen - which is still airing) surpasses any other JUMP series Anime adaptation. If that's not a sign of huge popularity, then I don't know what it is.
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On episode 260 - the battle is intense, I felt how intense it was when I read the Manga, but the animated battles are always fun and better. Good episode, and next week it's going to be a closure for this amazing arc.
That information about sales is very interesting, and I love to hear that it's successful because lord knows it deserves it. But I don't think sales are necessarily what Kisame Hoshigaki mean when he said "Big Names"
When people talk about anime they don't talk about Gintama nearly as much as other series, especially in the United States. Maybe that's because it usually isn't as flashy as Bleach, Naruto, or One Peace; or maybe it's a little harder to understand. Whatever the reason, it doesn't seem to me to have gained as much prominence of many of the other long running anime series. Which is odd because, frankly, I think it's way better than all of them.
I mean, just think about this forum. Gintama doesn't have a section. There only seems to be about a dozen or so of us that really discuss it.(fanatical in our devotion though we may be)
Last edited by Jammin; February 04, 2013 at 10:07 AM.
Ah, if we're talking about this forum, then I could agree. People are more interested in Gintama Anime rather than its Manga after all, due to its giant wall of text.
If you want something you can measure. Compare the Gintama anime forum with any of the other forums for the long running anime series. I mean, the Fairy Tail anime has been around for half long and there is twice as much activity in it's anime thread. In my experience, that's pretty much par for the course. And unless I'm mistaken that's really what Kisame was talking about.
Last edited by Jammin; February 04, 2013 at 10:38 AM.
Like I wrote in my previous post, I'm completely agree that Gintama is unpopular if we're restricting our scope of Gintama's popularity to this forum alone. I'm doubting myself in this case, but I believe that's because FT has its own section - hell, even a recently popular Manga like Magi has more pages in its Anime discussion thread.
P.S. I'm sorry if this discussion is off topic.
Can you back your statement up, in any way? It should be painfully obvious, even for someone as contrary as you, that Gintama has a very large following around the internet. A little exposure to anime fandom outside of MH would easily prove that Gintama is one of the most popular recent anime. Unlike you, I can not claim a Masters Thesis in anime and manga. I just know what I know. And I know what is obvious. I am not even a fan of the damn show, I've never even watched it. It's obvious to me though, that Gintama is not some under appreciated buried treasure, but one of the most popular recent anime.
I beg to differ about MAL. While I clearly lack your knowledge of Advanced Manga and Anime studies, I do know basic math. The first season of Gintama was rated at MAL by 95,439 people. That should be a statistically significant portion of the population, enough to invest meaning into their survey. That would be more voters than take part in the Presidential polls taken before elections, and from a smaller population pool. MAL is a high enough traffic site, and enough voters fill in their rankings survey, that we can properly infer popularity based on these polls. This is fairly basic statistics, basic Freshman level math.
So Gintama is a huge franchise because DVDs sell well (but not great)? I disagree. Firstly, while One Piece or other shitty shounens have worse sales per DVD they also have many fillers in them so people are buying a watery product. To see favourite arcs animated they need to buy 10 DVDs instead of 1 as in Gintama's case. Gintama on the other hand is 100% pure, no fillers (well almost) and no prolonging just to fill another DVD (in One Piece/Naruto/Bleach they talk before, during and after the fight, they name every technique, get knocked down 100 times and there are often commentators explaining some things and as a result a fight that should be 5 minutes long is prolonged to 5 episodes). So it's no wonder that it sells well, people don't have to buy 100 DVDs to reach the end after all. But I don't see the point of combining sales of different series, compare them to Fate/Zero + Fate/Zero 2 + Fate/Stay Night or to all Initial D series and you will see what I mean.
Or compare it to only a fraction of One Piece: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-yen-in-1-week
Gintama movie sales are pathetic compared to this. BTW, compare the number of movies of the most popular Jump titles (BleNarOne) or games or figurines or manga sales (which BTW in USA were so pathetic that Viz cancelled it) or...
As for it's popularity on forums, it's not some "vague measurement". It's also statistics and as it happens it's this hugely popular only on MAL (Yorozuya club has the biggest number of members among all MAL clubs). Anidb, ANN and other sites have it maybe in top 100 but that's it. There aren't many forums out there either (I know only Yorozuya soul and even that forum is little) while there are hundreds of big Naruto/One Piece/Bleach forums/sites. Hence it's not a "huge" name, especially for a Jump title. Heck, even Magi has a bigger fanbase than Gintama.
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One Piece was rated by 140,464 "people" (let's assume that no bots, double accounts or other devices were used here) and it's ranked 45th (26th in popularity). Can you tell by these numbers that it's the biggest title of all?
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The easiest way to see that Gintama isn't that popular is using Google.
Last edited by Goral; February 04, 2013 at 11:28 AM.
Somehow I think you read my opinion with great hostility but little care
Okay, first of all, what I was trying to say by stacking up Gintama's video sales is that it sold well enough to be considered "popular". It's still a parallel storyline, so why not? You are very welcomed to add Fate Franchise or Initial D the way you proposed; I believe that has no connection with this discussion and I don't mind if both of those series sold better than Gintama. I'd admit it.
Even if I'm counting the video sales the way you want it, Gintama is still ranked 2nd among JUMP series, losing only to Kuroko no Basket by 4.000 margin. Is that not a sign of popularity? I don't think so. Just because Gintama is not ranked within the Top 10 or 20 within that list - or any other list - doesn't mean it's automatically unpopular. I doubt I'm entirely understand what you were trying to insinuate by making comparison to One Piece dvd sales, so I won't bother to give my arguments on that one.
The most perplexing thing for me is: Why you always compare Gintama to extremely popular series? One Piece, Naruto, or Bleach - that way, you're setting the threshold of being popular is too high, something I wouldn't dare to do. Obviously it is a common knowledge that those three series have been exist longer than Gintama by years, and additionally one could argue that their Manga sold better than Gintama hence the popularity. It's a good thing that you, or us, wanting Gintama reaching the pinnacle of popularity from bazillion of other Anime, but somehow that would be extremely difficult, and a far-fetched idea at best.
Yes, I still insist that judging popularity by the numbers of the community existed among the netizen is a vague measurement. You do know that it's possible that many people who actually watch the show don't bother to post their thoughts in message boards, right? MAL ranks is enough to depict it, unfortunately you vehemently disagree on that one.
I believe the crux of this discussion is that we fail to see a common ground on what kind of measurement that Gintama can be considered popular. One side argue that Gintama isn't popular because the fans are consist only small numbers of community (but very dedicated, I think). While on the other hand I personally believe that numbers proven otherwise. This is going to be my last post on this matter, I rest my case here since I believe this discussion is moving nowhere. I keep my stance firm; Gintama is popular, and we have the freedom to believe what we want to believe.