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    France

    Okay, how should i begin, hmm ...
    First, i should tell everyone : French is a VERY difficult langage, yes And I just don't know every things about it yet, like many french after all... ^^
    The most difficult thing in french is : The grammar. So i should begin with the study of grammar.

    FIRST : GRAMMAR ( it will be long ... VERY long ... hum ... )

    First, i should talk about the present. Yeah, the bases... But this is the worst part... Because times are very difficult to learn. It's very diffrent from the English, 'cause you have many, many irregularities.
    First, the pronouns. I'll make a list :
    English : French :
    I Je
    You Tu
    he, she, it Il, Elle, On
    We Nous
    You Vous
    They Ils

    The first 3 are pronouns which design only one person or thing, the last 3 is used for 2 people or more ( plurial ... ). The problem is " It" in french ... We don't make the difference between things and human beings.
    An exception is : "On". It's in many cases the same as "We"... But we use it with a singular verb ... Now, i should show you how to use theses pronouns, "Pronoms" in french...

    Okay, now i shall begin with : "To be". In french : " être "

    English : French :

    I am Je suis
    You are Tu es
    he is, she is, it is Il est, Elle est, On est
    We are Nous sommes
    You are Vous êtes
    They are Ils sont

    First, learn it by heart, there's no other way !! Just repeat it again and again, like when you were learning english too, huhu ^^
    I'll give you some simple exemple : " Je suis dans le train. " ---> " I am in the train ".
    " Nous sommes désolés ..." ----- >" We are sorry... "
    " Ils sont vraiment énervés " ------> " They are really angry ! "

    Another verb, " Avoir " or " To have ", simple present :

    English : French :

    I have J'ai
    You have Tu as
    He has, She has, It has Il a, elle a, on a
    We have Nous avons
    You have Vous avez
    They have Ils ont

    I repeat : "It" does not mean "On" !!!
    You should see that I wrote : " J'" instead of "Je".
    Before every vowel : a, e, i, o u, y , we say : "J'" ... No exceptions.
    Like : " J'aime écrire" -----> " I love writing ".
    Don't worry if you don't understand now ... ( It's a little difficult for me too, to translate everything and not to make any mistakes ... )
    Exemples : " I have Naruto GC 4 ! " ------- > " J'ai Naruto GC 4 !"
    " He has some homework to do " ---- > " Il a des devoirs à faire "
    I'll pass for other forms, these two are the most useful !

    Now the type of verbs.
    3 types exists, it depends on the ending of the verb.
    Exemple : " Manger " ( to eat ) -er
    Je mange, Tu manges, Il mange, nous mangeons, vous mangez, ils mangent ...
    -e -es -e -ons -ez -ent
    Look at : " Tuer " ( to kill ) -er
    Je tue , Tu tues, Il tue, Nous tuons, Vous tuez, Ils tuent.
    -e -es -e -ons -ez -ent
    For " Manger", cut it like this : Mang - er
    For " Tuer" : Tu - er
    You see ? Easy ! the ending : - er is the easiest conjugation.

    Now the second type : -ir.
    Like : " Dormir " ( to sleep )
    Je dors, Tu dors, Il dort, Nous dormons, Vous dormez, Ils dorment.
    -s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
    Or : " Partir " ( to leave a place )
    Je pars, Tu pars, Il part, Nous partons, Vous partez, Ils partent.
    -s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
    Do the same as -er : Dor(m) - ir : Je dor -s, tu dor -s, il dor -t ...
    Exercice 1 : ( easy ) -----> Do it for : Partir.








    Answer : Part - ir : Je par - s, Tu par -s, .......
    Got it ?

    The 3rd type take the rest of the verbs, there are some irregularities ...
    For exemple : " Boire " ( to drink ) -oire
    Je bois, Tu bois, Il boit, Nous buvons, Vous buvez, Ils boivent.
    Or : " Vivre " ( to live )
    Je vis, tu vis, il vit, nous vivons, vous vivez, ils vivent.
    Or : " Prendre " ( to take ) -dre
    Je prends, Tu prends, il prend, nous prenons, vous prenez, ils prennent. Look at the "nn" ! Yeah, we have to double it ... Don't tell me why
    " Vendre " ( to sell ) -dre
    Je vends, tu vends, il vend, nous vendons, vous vendez, ils vendent.
    " Voir " ( to see ) - oir
    Je vois, Tu vois, Il voit, Nous voyons, Vous voyez, Ils voient.

    There are many, many, many,many ... moto, moto ... errrr sorry
    many verbs like that ! If you want exemples, go on my e-mail, if you see some verbs taht don't look like -er or -ir ... If you really want a list of irregularities, i think there are some on the net. Or go buy a grammar English / French book.

    I'm a little tired, so i'll stop here. If you want to improve a little, try to take these verbs out :
    " Entendre " ( to hear ), " Penser " ( to think ), " Croire " ( to believe ), " Savoir " ( to know ), " Attendre " ( to wait for ).
    Finally, i'll show you another irregular form :
    " Faire " --- > " To do ".
    Je fais, tu fais, il fait, nous faisons, vous faites, ils font.

    See ya ! Hope you'll like it. Suggestions, direct help : maggeus@hotmail.com

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Merci, Maggeus! Tu es awesome!

    Hmm.. Entendre, I'll take a crack:

    Je entends; Tu entends; Il entend; Nous entenons; Vouz entenez; Ils entendent?

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Wow that's awesome! After I study Japanese a tad bit longer, I'll look back into learning French...
    But really, great job
    Serizawa: But it's really heartwarming to see such good guys - perhaps not as good as we wanted, translation-wise, but their hearts are already grade A
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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    grammar? french grammar isn't hard...it's the exceptions on the rule that make it so bludy annoying :P
    hell, if you count all the years I was forced to learn french you could say I spend 2 years on learning the rules and 5 on the irregularities.

    funny thing about french is that they never lose their accent, even when talking foreign languages
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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    O.O and i thought japanese was hard.

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    héhé pas mal gold knight ! ( not bad ! )
    Don't forget that after a vowel, Je become "J'", so it is : j'entends
    Mmm ... Hey, in fact, "entendre" is a little different from "prendre". I verify, and Prendre is a little irregular, sorry for not saying it before !
    If fact, "Prendre" is ( for we and you plurial ) : Nous prenons, Vous prenez.
    If you take, for instance, Vendre : Je vends, Tu vends, Il vend, Nous venDons, Vous venDez, ils venDent. ( = Sell )
    I'll try to make a list for everyone

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    it's my first french lesson, i gonna try to make a sentence..

    le français n'est pas si difficile que ça

    it's true conjugate a verb isn't as easy as in english.. but it's not so hard.. when you know the rules ^^

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    Very good sentence ... It's not so hard when you know the rules, BUT many verbs are tresspassing the rules

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    It's very similar to Italian. To be in Italian is essere, and to have in Italian is avere.

    Anyway, thanks for posting! *Starts memorizing all that stuff*

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amaethon
    It's very similar to Italian.
    yeah, what a coincidence....
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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggeuS
    Very good sentence ... It's not so hard when you know the rules, BUT many verbs are tresspassing the rules
    maybe.. parce que je suis français (je pensais pas qu'il y avait autant de français ici, je pensais être un cas isolé avec amidamaru ^^)

    else i find spanish is more similar to french than italian.. but on other side, i speak a lot more spanish than italian ^^

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Ehhh, French grammar is easy! Then again, I live in Canada, and am quite often exposed to French.

    En passant, est-tu francais/quebecois...? Ou, est-ce que tu simplement un étudiant..?

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggeuS
    Now the second type : -ir.
    Like : " Dormir " ( to sleep )
    Je dors, Tu dors, Il dort, Nous dormons, Vous dormez, Ils dorment.
    -s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
    Or : " Partir " ( to leave a place )
    Je pars, Tu pars, Il part, Nous partons, Vous partez, Ils partent.
    -s -s -t -ons -ez -ent
    Do the same as -er : Dor(m) - ir : Je dor -s, tu dor -s, il dor -t ...
    Exercice 1 : ( easy ) -----> Do it for : Partir.
    "Dormir" and "partir" are part of the third group
    verb from the second group finish in -ir and their "participe présent" ends in -issant,
    Participe présent; dormir-> dormant partir-> partant
    example
    "finir" means to finish
    je finis
    tu finis
    il,elle, on finit
    nous finissons
    vous finissez
    ils,elles finissent

    Participe présent: finissant
    "haïr" means to hate
    je hais
    tu hais
    il,elle, on hait
    nous haïssons
    vous haïssez
    ils, elles haïssent
    participe présent: haïssant


    The 3rd group is made of all the other verbs.

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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggeuS
    Very good sentence ... It's not so hard when you know the rules, BUT many verbs are tresspassing the rules
    which makes Japanese REALLY easy to learn, you can count all the irregular verbs that you'll typically see in your life, on one hand
    Serizawa: But it's really heartwarming to see such good guys - perhaps not as good as we wanted, translation-wise, but their hearts are already grade A
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    Re: French : a hard langage [ Part 1, and more i hope :) ]

    Thanks again Maggeus, I did forget the "before vowel rule" for Je/J, sorry about that.  ^_^

    I did wonder about why "Prendre" was different from "Vendre," I just decided to take the former to do "Entendre".  I should've asked about that.

    And also thanks to spirou for clarifying on "Dormir" and the Part 2 group.

    Don't let me make you rush your lessons, but I do have a few questions for basic conversation, how would I say in French -

    "My name is _____"
    "I am _____"
    "Hello"
    "How are you"
    "I'm fine"
    "I'm not feeling well"
    "Good morning"
    "Good night"
    "You're Welcome"
    "What?"
    "Good-bye"

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