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anti-Americanism is probably fuel by pride and bias (or not trying to understand the other side)...
Pride in one's belief (religions, politics, etc) that is different to the American's system. This can be seen communist states and currently Islam states
Strong pride in one's nation that was or is having a conflict with the America. This can be show in Vietnam. For years, I've been reading about war stories that promoting nationalism of Vietnam and demoting the American/ French images. But it can be easily understandable because those writing was written during the war. But some students who learn those writing in school may think otherwise.
Bias and refusing to understand the other side is mostly can be seen by the examples of the extremists from the middle east.
And Education also play a factor here since now we learn about the take over of Hawaii, the ill treatments of the Native Americans, etc.... People began to doubt that American's interest may not always be the best for the rest of the world.
-these are just some hypothesis, and it does not reflect my view of America-
I just read the first post, which has a bunch of quotes from Brits accusing the US of imperialism and of trying to remake the world in it's own image.... that's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.
I'll admit, many of our policies are on the imperialist side and I don't personally like it, but this imperialism is more of an economic one perpetrated by CEOs bent on making their profit margins bigger (which I think is disgusting) and is not the general will of most people in our government (except the aforementioned jerks). And yes, we were involved in most of the military coups that went on in Latin America and the Middle East (and most of those plans backfired immensely), but they were usually in the interest of national security, even if the plans were crazy. I'm not excusing what we did, but at least we didn't do it in the spirit of conquest, like, shall we say...
The British Empire? I mean come on, it was the one of the biggest (if not the biggest) in history, being comprised of India, Canada, the United States, Australia, South Africa, Hong Kong (which it didn't give up until the 80's or 90's if I recall correctly), etc... Heck, remember the saying "The sun never sets on the British Empire"? They controlled (at different times) the better part of two continents! The British Empire was far more imperialistic. Then again, that was back in the days when empire was the cool thing to do, with France, Spain, and Portugal into it.
We're the main world power because of luck basically. There was never any major battles on American soil during WWII (excluding Pearl Harbor, some minor skirmishes in Alaska and a bomb that went of in Oregon), so our economy didn't have to suffer through reconstruction like countries in Europe and other major theaters did. We "won" the Cold War by being able to outlast the Russians in the arms race spending spree. With all of our main competition gone (except for China, perhaps) we're the "alpha dog" and people are always ripping on the guy at the top. I mean, look at the New England Patriots. They win a few Super Bowls and everyone hates them enough to boo a 14 year old girl who's wearing a Patriots jersey.
Basically what I'm saying is, people hate us because we're on top and we're smug about it. Sooner or later we'll be knocked off the dog pile and someone else will be on top and everyone will hate them and love us (hopefully this will happen in a peaceful way). Until then we should just try not to give them any good reason to hate us.
It's that or because when we go abroad, we expect people to know American English. Now that's just rude...
Last edited by mrcongojack; January 17, 2008 at 11:47 PM.
was there any bashing there õ_o... as far as I can see, he is being sarcastic... oh these posts are old...so maybe when you posted ^^... things were different...
lol I got what you meant... yes ... but deep down, people become hateful when they see other peoples right being destroyed and ignored
None of those guys defended freedom of speech like you guys doQuote:
see... the USA is completely different, your ancestors fought against the British exactly because you wanted to pick your own destiny... and now you deny this to the rest of the world
Do you see why people get so mad ... it is not only because USA is ... and they are... our leading Country, but because you guys are lacking the concept ... the concept you people built your country upon...
well... ... hmmm I think what really is there... is America's wish to guarantee that the products will continue to flow... no matter what ^^... no need for trades, or stuff like that ... all you need to have is products and money flowing through the market.Quote:
Well I know that sounds a bit weird... but that is what really is happening ^^.
hmmm... I really don't see that... it sounds more like you were sending a message to the world... try to change capitalism in your country and we will destroy your country... in Korea and Vietnam...Quote:
WWII... well... you guys helped both sides ... so I don't see any fight to defend your way of life... actually, the Europeans countries, were similar to the USA capitalism believes; (yeah they had their alternative ways... but deep down they wanted free market just like USA) so deep down that was not the reason why USA was going to WWII... the troops were not defending their way of life... they were...defending USA or so they imagined ^^...
Only countries that need to uphold their image towards the world do that... only countries that wish tom expand and still vital resources do that...Quote:
It is not the nature of the strongest, is the nature of the most desperate governments... willing to sacrifice thousands over nothing... unfortunately... that how it is...
*Even Brazil does that ... we annihilated Paraguay just because we had to proof to the British that we were on their side... so yeahhh... the strong one doesn't exactly have to do that...*
negative on that ^^... the Elite, especially on the bank business, planned carefully how to put USA in those wars... never wondered why we changed to comparing the strength of our currency to Gold and started to use Dollars ???Quote:
but I agree with you... MOST people hate the Alpha dog ... yeah i agree... but when it comes to Empires... oh people hate them because they tend to destroy other nations
*USA is not a territory empire... it is a Influence Empire... so deep down... the USA is not as terrible as the previous Super Empires... ^^ but the USA have done all the evil deeds the other ones did =___=... so yeahhh...*
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Vietnam... WWI...WWII... the longest ones I suppose ^^ ... Korea I really don't know... never heard of anything like that... what I suppose it was .. was fast deployment to stop North Korea...since America was in Japan ^^... Gulf wars... hmmm who knows ...maybe... I have heard that it was... but I never saw any concrete evidence or stuff like that
A free country can be an Empire right ^^ ???
No ... America forced... or let's say...asked the world to change the standard...
Last edited by Asusp3v4x; December 26, 2009 at 05:53 PM.
i'm no racist but what fuels anti-americanism are americans themselves. they get to sit atop economy that they don't notice they're stomping in someone's ground(this is true in most of them, and actually this happens with every nation which has the status) or another cause is pure envy.
Its a different culture from that in the UK.People often forget that, however they will not bestow the same level of criticism that they apply to American culture towards other cultures across the world, this could quite easily be considered racist.People complain that children are made to take a few minutes out of their time to pledge allegiance to the flag of America, whereby they are 'forced' to acknowledge a Christian god. Yet they will not raise an eyebrow when women are persecuted every waking minute of every day in the name of a different god.
It all comes down to economics. Were all at the mercy of our governments' geopolitical ambitions and no country is more innocent than the next. The American people are good people. The problem with anti-Americanism is that the geopolitical backlash is tacked onto the people/country as a whole instead of recognizing the machinations of the elite over whom they have no ultimate control.
For example, Venezuela. Im sure the people are nice, but they have a bastard of a fascist leader who's really not helping his country look good by his actions and entrenched domestic takeover.
The world needs to learn to be a little more judicious in that manner with each other. Otherwise youre just a tool. I think we can all agree on that.
And Asusp, your statements (or paraphrasing) based on however youve been educated on world affairs is incorrect and borders on conspiracy theory irrationality. I urge you to stop and rethink, re-examine.
The problem is that the U.S. only put its nose in someone's affairs if it is economically/geopolitically relevant for them. If it is a poor country, offering nothing but starving ppl that won't become a bunch of consumers too fast, they would care less about them (a cliché example, nevertheless a valid one).
Yes, the U.S. is a country that feels like the world's sheriff (make war to achieve peace; paradoxal, isn't it?) and at the same time to be followed as a role model (again, economically relevant for them - and strangely enough, or as they want us to think as an undeniable truth, for the world's economy).
I can't blame the guys, I just don't agree with the killing done through the process, the suffering that families go through (both american and foreign), even more using religion to claim they are right (God bless America, right, Bush? - I know, it is Obama's time, but I saw this Bush saying that multiple times in my adolescence XD).
And when I say "they" I REALLY (sorry for the emphasis) don't mean the whole U.S. population, but the ones who govern and are manipulated - by other forces* inside this very same country - to act as "they" act.
Ah, other countries also do that, but they are not as sordid as part of the U.S. government.
*Lobby groups, someone? B4 ppl start to say that I am on a conspiracy kind of talk...
Just sharing my POV...
Last edited by Dhazard; October 14, 2010 at 06:32 PM.
This video sums up quite some points:
"Calling the average American's mindset 'naive' is a very benevolent characterization"
Personally my main point of critizism is the huge right wing in the US with their impressive ignorance. Yeah sure we got some of that kind in our country as well, but it's not almost half the population like in the USA...
Actually the fact that Obama became president raised my opinion on the US alot. It's like a sign that there still are some moderate people in that country. However, the Tea Party is on their way on ruining it again, what a bunch of blockhead, incredible that such people still exist in our times. They rather fit into medieval times...
Tea Party actually manages it to call Obama Hitler and Stalin at the same time, what the hell? Their sense of justice and community spirit is that of a three-year old child and they talk extremely hateful/against tolerance, exactly the worst thing to do for peace. Their ideas of liberal economy damage social justice extremely, but half of America fails to notice that.
Then, especially in the past, America acts like the highest court in terms of justice and human rights, while actually trampling these with the feet.
And then there is general US media/culture, which partially very bold, unmannered, biased and loud. It simply seems that the US has lost any sense of decency. Just one little footnote here: A previous classmate who spent a year in US in a student exchange program told us that in summer it was very hot outside, and way too cold inside because everyone used their air conditioning to absurd extremes. I've got very old numbers here (2003) but back then the energy uses per citizen was 11.031SKE (coal equivalent), while it was only around 5.500 in other highly industrialized countries such as Japan, Germany and UK.
In short, what most people actually hate of the USA is the right wing and the past foreign policy, acting like they were the rulers of the world.
Last edited by Roflkopt3r; October 15, 2010 at 04:51 AM.
hahaahaha it is all about power dude... America is a power house and they do whatever is more economical to their nation ... and to their Elite n___n ...
Well, to their defence, most countries (excluding some, sorry for the language, fucked up countries with awesome dictators and/or corrupted governments) does what's most economically profitable for their nation and their people. It's just that, to be honest, America is on a little more extreme level than most of the other western countries and they are a LITTLE bigger so it gives a LITTLE more impact on the rest of the world.
About the anti Americanism? Well, there's shitloads of small factions that builds up to the huge amount of anti Americanism in, mostly Europe. Things such as low common knowledge of the outside world, low cultural acceptance, no real liberal views, arrogance etc.
Some American soldiers -or rather the fact that a tape of them was leaked as such things most likely happen rather often- once again did a nice job to fuel anti-Americanism:
I guess the video will be deleted soon as that cynic uploader marked it as "entertainment" category. The questionable behavior is after 4:30 in the video as a helicopter gunner shoots a fleeing taliban while other soldiers are cheering:
„Yeaaaah!“, „Whoooah!“, „God bless America!“, „Yeah, bitch, fuck yeah!“. „Nice shooting“
Nothing left of honorable behaviour there. This is not a way a democracy can lead a war... some soldiers behave worse than most of the Taliban.
I have no proof for my assumption, but I'm very certain that most members of the Bundeswehr would still follow acceptable behaviour in such a situation, inspired by the older members and officers who mostly still follow such rules. I think this display of unacceptable lack of honor is something the US army in general can be blamed for and definitly affects my image of the United States in general. This is no behaviour an army of a democratic and sophisticated country should show at any point!
Last edited by Roflkopt3r; October 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM.
I agree with you Roflkot3r that what those soldiers did is unacceptable, but that does not represent our entire military. If you judge and entire military force by the actions of a few soldiers then every military in the world is a disgrace. Unless I'm to believe this sort of thing doesn't happen with other countries' military.
Also, being constantly surrounded by people that want to kill you can do some major damage to a person's psyche to the point where they don't act rational. Now, I'm not defending their actions, but if you are seeing people you know and care for die on a near daily basis and a person associated with the group that is killing them is killed themselves, I can't say I wouldn't cheer myself. It's a hard situation to place yourself in, but once again, I still find it disgusting.