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I'm not sure if atheists use that reason to get into people's pants. Moral obligation comes from trying to please god to get into heaven or be treated well after death though.
Atheism isn't about propagation of DNA, it's about living without god or religion. I don't know where you got that from. I'm not gonna lie, I do believe in that, but it doesn't mean I'll knock up women just to spread my DNA around. Ethics prevent me from doing that. That's like me saying every religious people are selfish like that.
And I don't think atheists can claim to be selfless either. Humans are selfish, but it seems religious people fear or obey god solely due to wanting to get in heaven or at least, avoid hell. This is what I've guessed at based on responses of so many people, even if they have denied it.
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and i didnt bring moral obligation some one brought Catagorical Imperative
I don't think atheists use evolution to excuse anything. I certainly haven't met any atheist that does that, anyway. If they do, then that's probably a cop-out excuse for them to cheat. It's like how Christians, Catholics, or whatnot use the Bible to justify hating the gays or I think the blacks.
All in all though, I get annoyed whenever an atheist or religious person acts like a douche. Gets annoying to have a friendly debate with them.
Funny thing is, I read some female pornstars' bio on Wikipedia, and it seems many of them come from a strict family or family with strong religious backgrounds. Looks like restriction is a horrible thing. I'm not sure if any of them are atheist though.
You got me thinking here Shaheer. The wheels in the brain are a spinning.
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You too M3...I agree. I'm intolerant of douche-canoes too.
Thinking is quite a double edged sword. It can cause problems, and it can fix problems. It can exacerbate problems or reduce problems. Whether a religious person or an atheist or agnostic or whoever thinks, it can go either way.
From what I glanced at in Daily News, the pope seems to have resigned because of homosexual relationships with male prostitutes. I don't know if this is true though, I don't remember reading the reason why elsewhere, nor have the other newspapers mentioned it. Maybe they will in the Sunday edition? But not shocking if that's true.
For something to be and 'ought' something transcendental must exist. For theist like me its God for atheist its evolution.
I dont think i can make myself more clear though so i m sorry if it wasnt good enough to tell you what i am trying to mean.
Seriously? lool i dont watch pron or search about them but this is a hilarious find lol
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Although I believe in evolution and natural selection, I don't base my morals/ethics or decisions on that. I live life the way it should be lived, in my opinion: for the lulz. I think we probably come at an impasse here, as my ideas would differ quite a bit from yours.
And I've been told I have quite a different view on tons of stuff. X_x
Procrastination is a horrible thing. But yeah, it's true. I'm not sure how many this is true for, but it's certainly true for at least very few of 'em.Quote:
Even further reinforces the idea that we shouldn't raise kids in a strict environment. Give them freedom, but give them knowledge as well, along with crutch or support. Kids or teenagers won't always listen to you, so you do more damage by not informing them.
Instead of sayin "you're not allowed to have sex!," just talk to them and tell them how to be safe. My main issue with religions is that it tends to avoid topics like this and considers it immortal instead of tackling it. The lack of knowledge is the main culprit, but people are happy to keep it that way with kids and teenagers when information would help them be in a better situation.
Any way lets drop this topic we are talking about apples and oranges here.
Religion does adress these topic but it mainly considers premaritial relation to be immoral.Quote:
how does it address the topics? Accordin to pope, no condom or pills allowed. Might as well just tell them unprotected sex is healthy.
Wasn't directed at you. At least, I thought you had knowledge of how they addressed the topics. I know you're Muslim homey, chillax.
Well now as far as Christianity is concerned i havent read it in the Bible i dont know from where pope got that part. As far as islam is there yes if there is a benefit using pils or contraceptive measures and prescribed to some one by doctor then its allowable as far as i know.
but it is not my speciality so i wont be able to give you any good opinion.... i am more interested in texual criticism and theology.
One thing that I like about religions is the mythology behind it. Well, two things if you count the history associated with it. I actually want to make time to read Greek and Egyptian mythologies again, as they've interested me so much more than Hindu mythologies, and Hindus have so many deities. X_x Religions have some awesome stories to tell.
Which is of course, how I think god came to be. Children wanted to know how things happened, but the elders didn't know how it happened, so they made up god to avoid losing face.
In Atheism (as there is no tenants to base any sort of belief off of), morality comes from whatever the individual wants it to. Morality is subjective. I know religious people hate to hear that but that's how I would imagine other Atheists see it. I don't get my moral code form the fact that my species has evolved over time. What kind of ethics could I gather from that to live my day to day life? Almost none. I decide my own morals based off what I feel and what I see, no more, no less.
This is evolving into an ethical debate. Can I ask what are everyone's thoughts on the difference between morals and values?