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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Rayleigh View Post
    It's because we were kids and it's a time when we didn't complain much about advertising. And it was a time when we couldn't read always the manga before watching the anime, because we didn't have much money at this age, and because internet did not exist yet.

    To me, One Piece's anime is far above Dragon Ball in terms of quality.
    We were kids? I re-watched original Dragonball a while ago. I haven't noticed a lot of improvement in fighting animations since then. Which is sad. I'd like to see more Luffy vs Lucci type fights.

    Just awesome.

    And quality should be constant. Last 2 arcs of One Piece were mostly crap, with a couple of awesome parts. That's just not good enough. I blame it more on bad direction than on animation to be honest.

    Of course, some other popular animes have the same problem.

    EDIT: Lol, imagine what Jet Gatling could do now.
    Last edited by Razh; October 25, 2010 at 01:47 PM.

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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by k-dom View Post
    So you are allowed to make critics when there is a filler part you don't like but we cannot make some. I've just check some of your old posts and most of them feel negative...
    Fillers that alter the original plot to make other fillers fit into the episode and ones that make well defined characters behave out-of-character are crap by definition - I didn't change my opinion about that. Where have those been in episode 472? They left out one scene where Squard pushes Marco away but with the minor error mentioned above it's no big deal after all.

    There's nothing to discuss about altering fillers being inappopriate changes to the storyline, and it's something extremely different from how an episode's conception is realized in general (aka drawing style, animation and pacing). And yes, IMO such fillers can crap the whole arc. I've stopped watching Shippuuden and Bleach because of their fillers, and halted OP for the Amazon Lily arc because of Naoki Tate.

    It's one chapter per episode, for quite some time now and whining about that won't change anything, since for Toei and Fuji there's absolutely no need to change that: One Piece is #3 of all anime TV shows in Japan thus the most successful modern anime TV show.

    If you take your time to read a chapter with all its details, you'll easily take a quarter of an hour too, don't you? At least I do, because I want to enjoy reading and watching OP - what altering and ooc fillers just simply disrupt. (And yes, as a Hancock fan I hated the fillers in episodes 470 and 471)

    I just started to compare "canonical" episodes and chapters to list up the changes for the German One Piece wikia - and believe me, I'm pretty much pissed about that starting with Robin's wrong color of eyes and the more I go into details...

    Quote Originally Posted by k-dom View Post
    And I'm sorry but by copy/pasting the manga in that intro they made a big nonsense. In the manga all this was on a single double spread, so that you see everyone in shock at the same time. It was a very strong moment that to me has been completely lost in the animation.
    The animation is good to... animate. It should work perfectly with a battle scenario. Instead, we have suspended time moments that are simply out of the subject here.
    Aha... well, if you think so. I'll keep sticking with that anime is more than simple "animation" but story-telling beyond European and US standards, so there may be scrolling stills for minutes. And that's why I take these "copy/pasting" scenes as dramaturgical breaks which were realized better than last week's purple shots.

    Maybe it's because I just didn't swept over the images in the manga noticing many shocked characters but looking into each one's facial expression to feel their horror. My bad one...
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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    We were kids? I re-watched original Dragonball a while ago. I haven't noticed a lot of improvement in fighting animations since then. Which is sad. I'd like to see more Luffy vs Lucci type fights.

    Just awesome.

    And quality should be constant. Last 2 arcs of One Piece were mostly crap, with a couple of awesome parts. That's just not good enough. I blame it more on bad direction than on animation to be honest.

    Of course, some other popular animes have the same problem.

    EDIT: Lol, imagine what Jet Gatling could do now.
    I'm talking about quality here. If you prefer Dragon Ball animated fights which is also linked to Dragon Ball's manga fights, that's different. I took a random Dragon Ball video on Youtube. Compare it with the quality of any One Piece episode. The difference is obvious.
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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Yeah, but if the quality is good but the animation is crap why bother watch it and in times where we have HD and 3D the quality shouldn't be an option it's an obligation to attract people.

    Edit : This is a shōnen where we have fights. ^^
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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Rayleigh View Post
    I'm talking about quality here. If you prefer Dragon Ball animated fights which is also linked to Dragon Ball's manga fights, that's different. I took a random Dragon Ball video on Youtube. Compare it with the quality of any One Piece episode. The difference is obvious.
    There you go again. You're talking about cosmetics. I'm not talking about textures and color. I'm talking about how cool the fight is. Punches, kicks, counters, speed. Choreography. That's why I liked Lucci vs Luffy and all the similar fights. Nowadays, animation is mostly sloppy and the good stuff is saved for cool moments. I really dislike that.

    Also, I've been repeating I prefer Dragonball. Fuck DBZ, especially after Namek. That video you pulled out is crap.

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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    There you go again. You're talking about cosmetics. I'm not talking about textures and color. I'm talking about how cool the fight is. Punches, kicks, counters, speed. Choreography. That's why I liked Lucci vs Luffy and all the similar fights. Nowadays, animation is mostly sloppy and the good stuff is saved for cool moments. I really dislike that.

    Also, I've been repeating I prefer Dragonball. Fuck DBZ, especially after Namek. That video you pulled out is crap.
    To date for the most part DB or DBZ has had the best choreographed fights in my opinion. My all time favorite is 17 vs Piccolo. DB Kai did somewhat of a better just but the openings always feel like a teaser.

    On topic here we're not getting any one on one fights. I see where you're getting at I miss those too. But this is the marineford arc. Of course it's gonna look somewhat sloppy. Very few fights last five seconds. I mean they could put in work but personally it would be wasted effort. But one can dream.

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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    There you go again. You're talking about cosmetics. I'm not talking about textures and color. I'm talking about how cool the fight is. Punches, kicks, counters, speed. Choreography. That's why I liked Lucci vs Luffy and all the similar fights. Nowadays, animation is mostly sloppy and the good stuff is saved for cool moments. I really dislike that.

    Also, I've been repeating I prefer Dragonball. Fuck DBZ, especially after Namek. That video you pulled out is crap.
    Then, we were not talking about the same thing. You were talking about fight animation while I was talking about animation.

    On a side-note, one of the best animations ever done in One Piece was the Sabaody Archipelago. It was incredible.

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    Re: Latest Episodes Discussion

    Shabaody archipelago had good animation, but the drawings were awful... :3

    One Piece is lacking good animation, and is not becuase of staff, if you see movie 10 you'll see.
    Its just because of budget... crisis affects every market!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Rayleigh View Post
    On a side-note, one of the best animations ever done in One Piece was the Sabaody Archipelago. It was incredible.
    The only problem I had with that is how they changed Kuma's sound effect when jumping around. Instead his POP sound, they made it seems like he was using Soru.

    It still can't compare with Enies Lobby, in my opinion.

    As I said, I realize there's no place in this arc for one on one fights, and that's not what I was getting at. With just a slightly better direction, every episode could be great. Ffs, it takes a real genius to fuck up an arc that shows a giant battle. Oda gave them EVERYTHING!
    It's just being ruined by all the forced stalling, giving me the same feel I had watching Bleach "Winter War". You feel like everyone's taking it easy there, especially retarded Boa. If she started throwing her underwear at Luffy next episode, I wouldn't even be surprised.

    I hope they pick up the pace now when Whitebeard is on the move. No time to fuck around now, just show us the battle.


    Quote Originally Posted by beastboy View Post
    One Piece is lacking good animation, and is not becuase of staff, if you see movie 10 you'll see.
    Its just because of budget... crisis affects every market!
    10 may have a good animation, but it's direction sucks. Had some cool moments, but that's it. Judging from the trailer, it should have been 5 times better, at least. Dead End Adventure was a lot better for me.

    It's not just crisis. It's the lack of creativity.
    Last edited by Razh; October 26, 2010 at 04:10 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Did I hear "best animation" ? Water 7 was animated the best imo. Big buildings, huge skylines, lots of flowing water. Just beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ish3 View Post
    To date for the most part DB or DBZ has had the best choreographed fights in my opinion. My all time favorite is 17 vs Piccolo. DB Kai did somewhat of a better just but the openings always feel like a teaser.

    On topic here we're not getting any one on one fights. I see where you're getting at I miss those too. But this is the marineford arc. Of course it's gonna look somewhat sloppy. Very few fights last five seconds. I mean they could put in work but personally it would be wasted effort. But one can dream.
    Man I thought I was the only one that thought that fight was before it's time......I remember watching and freaking out....I wish more fight were like that one.....and sadly it never makes any of the top anime fighting scenes on youtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Thor View Post
    Did I hear "best animation" ? Water 7 was the animated the best imo. Big buildings, huge skylines, lots of flowing water. Just beautiful.
    If only the wave Aokiji froze was animated like the Aqua Laguna <3...

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    Yeah, not sure what the animation staff is thinking, especially since it's been proven that they can do much better. These episodes were made a few months before though (Iva's VA was arrested in July IIRC, we didn't see the voice change till a month ago), so back then the anime was really close to the manga. They might just have opted to 'waste time' in favor of making good episodes.

    Still doesn't explain why they were so lazy though...
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    This WK episode was ok still alot of talk about Sqaud and WB and family stuff, etc... Other than that I thought the fight scene through out this arc was well animated...well some part but it could have been better.
    Some ppl complain about this arc not having 1 on 1 fight well I think it's better Oda didn't have every single one of those characters in a single battle because other wise this anime/manga would become Bleach. It's fast paste, and a lot of interruption going on around just like a real war. This arc would still be going right now if it did have 1 on 1 fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee-tyme7 View Post
    This arc would still be going right now if it did have 1 on 1 fights.
    Didn't expect 1 on 1 fights, just to clarify. But If this arc had some 1 on 1 fights instead of lame fillers and stretchers (Boa for example, needlesly long Squad flashback, Luffy's "search" for Ace after landing, Ivankov's conversation with Doflamingo, etc.), it would probably be at the same place now.

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