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Thread: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Kenpachi wouldn't win in a battle of brute force either. No one short of Yamamoto/Aizen/Isshin, and possibly a few others could destroy Komamura's bankai just like that.

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    Re: Kenpachi - Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto?

    no matter what "Would" happen ichigo won that fight, and by the way, With kenpachi not dodging, is because he hate dodging, he with his own words "Its just so much funnier on straight on slashing." which means he likes getting cut and do the cutting, if he started dodging it wouldnt be kenpachi, as he said when he was fighting Tozen, "I hate fighting like this, i hate thinking in a fight." which clearly decrees that he hates dodging which i only seen him do against Tozen in the whole series, all the other times he parried (Besides getting a bit cut up.) Kenpachi fights Head-on and thats why i like him no cheap ass tricks he goes as far as to give the opponent the advantage before he kicks their ass to gooey paste. But no matter how i like Ken he lost that fight, Simply by seeing their swords, Ichigo's sword was whole, ken's was cut in half, and ken's was wounded far worse than ichigo.

    ---------- Post added at 04:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:12 AM ----------

    And if Ken used bankai, im pretty sure the soul society would end, because that much spirit energy would destroy every being there xD
    Last edited by Miyagi; April 25, 2012 at 07:42 AM.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    it would be a shame if kenpachi won't ever use his bankai. at least before the end of the manga,he has to do so! I hope that byakuya won't be trolled by that strength,though.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by PredatorNar View Post
    Kenpachi has to be one of my favorite people because of both his stength and his nature. He also reminds me of Sagat from Street Fighter for obvious reasons. Anyway, the fact that he kinda acts more like the typical protagonist (or close to it) than the typical antagonist: He leaves his enemies alive and doesn't really have any intentions to be evil (he only fought Ichigo because Ichigo was strong and an intruder)

    Anyway, the point of this post is that Kenpachi's monsterous strength in battle is able to make him above normal Captain level (just ask Tousen, Komamura, and Mayuri (got scared when Kenpachi grabbed his arm)). It surprised me at first that he reached this state with pure spiritual energy and with no help from his zanpakuto. Now, what if he is able to go all the way to Bankai and/or become a Vizard?...

    ...a) Do you think he would be able to easily defeat Aizen and Yamamoto if he reached Bankai and/or Vizard?
    ...b) Do you think Tite Kubo will ever have Kenpachi actually realize the name of his sword and reach Bankai or will he just let Kenpachi remain how he is?

    This topic may have been discussed in the past (I'm not sure), but I haven't found it and I really want to discuss this.
    Yamamoto is the most powerful captain in both reiatsu and strenght, as stated many times in the manga. Aizen admited to be inferior to him, plus yamamoto didn't even need a zanpaktoh to anihilate wonderweiss. I will compare Aizen to Kenpachi then:

    I won't discuss about spiritual energy because I seriously doubt Kenpachi can bring Grimmjow to his knees just by using reaitsu. Also, it was stated a few times in the manga that no one can understand Aizen's reiatsu, as it he is completely on another lvl. I will assume everyone agrees that Aizen wins in this area.

    Regarding physical strength, let's compare the prowess of each character:
    Aizen was powerful enough to stop Ichigo's Bankai with just one finger and almost cut him in half with a single swing of a sword.
    He stopped Renji's Shikai with his bare hand and broke it with one swing.
    He was able to stop Komamura's Shikai with his bare hand.
    He further shows his strength by being able to effortlessly cut through the sword and wrist of Komamura's Bankai, nearly killing Komamura in the process.

    I'm very very sure, Kenpachi have not shown something even near that lvl. So no, to me, Aizen is superior in both reiatsu and strength.

    What would happen if Kenpachi achieves shikai and bankai? I don't know, but probably kioka suigetsu will still be the most overpowered zanpakto. We could also question ourselves: what would happen if Aizen releases his bankai? Seriously, I don't think Kenpachi can compete by aaaany means with Aizen.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    it would be a shame if kenpachi won't ever use his bankai. at least before the end of the manga,he has to do so! I hope that byakuya won't be trolled by that strength,though.
    cant be more disappointing than aizen going down without ever using bankai tho ,dont you think ?

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    it would be a shame if kenpachi won't ever use his bankai. at least before the end of the manga,he has to do so! I hope that byakuya won't be trolled by that strength,though.
    Hmmm...how Kubo has drawn Ken's character so far, I am doubtful he would get a bankai. It makes him unique and I would love to see it that way. But that is just my opinion.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by xCUBE View Post
    Kenpachi wouldn't win in a battle of brute force either. No one short of Yamamoto/Aizen/Isshin, and possibly a few others could destroy Komamura's bankai just like that.
    wait,how do you know that isshin is at aizen and yamamoto's level??? I think he is just as strong as a strong captain,but he,urahara and yoruichi were owned by aizen...

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    wait,how do you know that isshin is at aizen and yamamoto's level??? I think he is just as strong as a strong captain,but he,urahara and yoruichi were owned by aizen...
    Apparently he knows how to use the final getsuga tensho, that's why. Plus Aizen without hogyoku didn't seem to be as strong as Ishin, in fact, Ishin was winning till Aizen used the hogyoku.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by metalia View Post
    Apparently he knows how to use the final getsuga tensho, that's why. Plus Aizen without hogyoku didn't seem to be as strong as Ishin, in fact, Ishin was winning till Aizen used the hogyoku.
    I think isshin can no longer use the final getsuga tenshou since the moment when he re-obtained his powers. nor can ichigo now,imo.in fact,he doesn't seem to be able to use it again,but maybe he will

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by metalia View Post
    Apparently he knows how to use the final getsuga tensho, that's why. Plus Aizen without hogyoku didn't seem to be as strong as Ishin, in fact, Ishin was winning till Aizen used the hogyoku.
    No, that was Aizen after pwning Gotei 13 and tricking Yamamoto and eating a lvl 96 Hado in the face and being healed by the Hogyoku.
    And let's not forget, a battle between 2 Shinigamis is a battle of reiatsu.

    No matter how physically strong Kenpachi may be, we've seen Aizen " breaking " Tenken in Shikai and pwning Komamura's Bankai, and we've seen that even Tousen stopped Komamura's bankai swing with relative ease, even though these two look frail compared to Kenpachi.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Of course base Aizen and Yama are stronger than Kenpachi for now, but seriously they would be stronger than any other Captain not only in base, but also in Shikai. So I can clearly see Kenpachi becoming stronger than Byakuya (as for now they are shown to be more or less at the same level lower than Shunsui and Ukitake, but stronger than other young Captains and supposedly at the same level as Kensei and Shinji) after learning the name of his Zan and getting a real Shikai.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    but metalia is right,isshin was winning against aizen until the latter used the hougyoku. so god-aizen was probably stronger than yamamoto. hence,if kenpachi surpassed one of them it wouldn't be too stretch,imo,and he is the only character that can be strengthened by kubo without stretching the story too mcuh

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Stronger. Kenpachi. Beast

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    wait,how do you know that isshin is at aizen and yamamoto's level??? I think he is just as strong as a strong captain,but he,urahara and yoruichi were owned by aizen...
    I meant physically, discounting special abilities. He was able to hang with and push Aizen to the limit in melee. Yamamoto is above that but those three are the cream of the crop. Condom Aizen is something different though.

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    Re: Kenpachi: Possibly Stronger than Aizen and Yamamoto? Or just overrated?

    According to new Bleach novel, Kenpachi is one of the strongest characters in the manga. The novel wasn't written by Kubo and isn't canon but there're comments which are supposedly from Kubo who says Narita, the writer of the novel, has seen Zaraki's true potential. We haven't seen Kenpachi during the invasion yet, I wonder what he'll do against quincies.

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