英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
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Hey guy, how's it going?
I've been wondering about the role of the Vastorodes ever since Hitsugaya talked about them, particularly in regards to the power hierarchy in Bleach. There are a few things I want to know:
- If the Vastorodes aren't in the Espada yet, then how is there such a gap in strength between Yammi and the Primera? Aren't all of them Adjuucas? Will there be such a wide spectrum among the Vastorodes, then?
- Considering how strong Ulquiorra is, won't any Vastorodes put in the Espada be stronger than #1 by default? They are stronger than Captains already BEFORE being hybridized--so how the hell is anyone going to beat them?
- Is Aizen even stronger than they'll be after they become Arrancar?
Personally, I think that the Vastorodes' existance alone necessitates the role of the Vaizards in the War. And I think Kubo has been dodgy about their individual strengths to set this up.
So what do you guys think?
...WTF is Aizen smiling about? XD
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shit you're right
anyways Vasto's are strong enough as it so maybe only Ichigo will beat them since he has bankai and vaizard mode...but maybe one or two will be taken out by your occasional stronger than average captain and vaizard ....but seems like Grimmjow is vaizard I mean his release state is human shaped ..somewhat at least ....
Wait i don't think only ichigo would be able to fight the modified Vastolorde becaus just now we saw shinji fight as Vaizard against an Espada but he didn't even use shikai or bankai to totally outdo grimmjaw.
I think shinji could take released-grimmjaw on if he uses his shikai and fights in his vaizard form
I don't think that it was ever mentioned that there weren't any vastorode in the espada, since when hitsugaya talked about them, he didn't know about the espada, he only knew about arrancars (i think shawlong explained the espada to him). What hitsugaya did say was that 10 vastorode arrancars would spell doom for soul society, since a regular vastolorde, without becoming an arrancar could overpower a captain. I think ulquiorra has pointed out that he is an adjuchas, and therefore there an be at most 3 vastolorde arrancars, since ulquiorras number is 4, and a vastolorde arrancar would undoubtedly be stronger than he is. As for the rest of the espada, there is such a difference in their power because they have different levels of skill and experience, expecting them to all have the same power level would be the same as expecting all the captains to have the same power level, just because they have the same title, clearly yamamoto is much more powerful than soifon, for example, so adjuchas arrancar can have different levels of power too. Just as a final point, the hougyoku turns a vastorode/adjuchas/gillian into an arrancar, it cannot create a vastolorde, and hitsugaya said that vastorode were extremely rare, so their number is limited by that alone, and it isn't a case of aizen simply arrancarising them as he has to find them as well.
When they explained about Menos Grande in the anime, they showed a siloette of an Adjucha and Vastrorode. The first two espada we saw where Yammi and Ulquorria who pretty much match the shape of those siloettes, especially when you look at the shape of their masks.
I don't think that this is a coincidence.
The espada are probally 4 or 5 Vastrorodes, 4 or 5 Adjucha and one Gillian.
There was a Adjucha in a recent anime filler episode, it seemed to be as powerful as an incomplete normal hollow arrancar and a similar size/shape. Can't wait to see a Vastrorode!
The mistake ur making with the original vastolorde and adjuchas that we saw silhouttes of, is that these were not arrancars, the released form of an arrancar would have to be human sized for them to be a vastolorde. So although it is possible that these were the silhouttes of ulquiorra and yammy, it would be their released form that we had seen a silhoutte of. By this logic, grimmjow could be a vastolorde because he has a small released form.
Also, it turns out that i was wrong earlier, ulquiorra hasn't said what class he is, this has given me the belief that the top six espada are vastolorde, with 3 adjuchas (7, 8, & 10) and one gillian.
Yeah, Sosuke was just saying that he wanted to gather ALL the Vasto Lorde, so he might already have some, those being probably Ulquiorra and up. And Sosuke said that the Numeros the Shinigami fought were the weakest kind of Gillian, so there could still be a huge difference in Yammy, an adjustas, and them.