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    Re: Why is it assumed that naruto is getting a second element?

    Well i think naruto learning a second element can be to early now.

    hes going probably create wind jutsu.. and complete the rasengan.

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    Re: Why is it assumed that naruto is getting a second element?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigga
    This is something ive had a bit of confusion with, other than the probable fact that the nine-tails's chakra would have a separate element, why does naruto's next attack have to have some combination of elements? Just because kakashi explained that most jounin have control of 2+ elements doesnt mean that naruto will just out of nowhere master another element?

    And also in that respect kakashi did say that fused elements like ice and wood take someone who has a hereditary/ bloodline limit in order to use it, so why do people keep saying that naruto will not only come up with another element, but fuse it with wind to create an all new element all together without any prior forshadowing of that type of potential, i just dont get it.

    even if the kyubi chakra has a different element and the seal on naruto lets it leak out, it definantly has never mixed with his own chakra before, his is always blue, kyubi's is always red. and dont say that "it was purple on the show when he was in the 1st tail form" because that was just regular chakra, not elemental chakra.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gigga
    Im definantly not putting it past him, the series could lean into any direction really since naruto will have to figure out how to fuse the two "manipulations" to make the wind power'd rasengan, maybe kyubi's chakra will be the "glue" that holds the manipulation together, who knows, lol.

    IMHO i think naruto would focus on what he's already figured out to perfect rasengan, throwing in another element seems a bit too much at this point in the show
    Wonderful thread/posts Gigga. I have been feeling the same confusion, bordering on frustratiuon.

    One thing that i really dont understand is how quickly people jump to conclusions, and even come up with conclusions out of no-where.

    Here is a satirical post i made in response to the naruto-element reteric in the ch320 predictions:
    Quote Originally Posted by lucky
    prediction:
    naruto will use his 6 elements that hes about to master to evolve a new byukagan for spying on girls and will sell it to jiraya for another 10 elements. Asuma will betray konoha and reveal he's actually the third and fourths genetic son made by orochimaru and is serving under the akatsuki leader, konohamaru. Naruto will go ape when he finds out konohamaru is AL and use his 16 new elements to make 1000 bloodline techniques and then combine them all into one uzumaki kamehamehasharinganrendan to pawn all the baddies.
    It seems that since kakashi explained the elements and the fact that they can be combined, all of a sudden people are saying naruto will have 2, 3 or more elements, even combining them into new elements. Where is the logic? Where is the evidence? There is none!

    Argument 1
    Some people would say "naruto is the most surprising ninja so therefore he will do stuff we dont expect", but geez, its like saying "you will step outside and get hit my a meteor, because, hey, it would be a surprise and it seems possible" Problem is theres no evidence to suggest that such an even is likely. There is a big difference between possibility and probability.

    Argument 2
    One argument for naruto having 2+ elements could be that he is a genius and will ultimately be the strongest ninja in the entire series. This argument definately has some weight to it, but the problem is that people use it to say that naruto will get elements out of no-where. Additionally, they predict that he will get the elements very soon[during this current training arc], and on his own[without guidance or explanation from anyone].

    Now, naruto is exceptional in his ability to train and master techniques people dont expect him to be capable of [summoning, KB, rasengan etc] but in each of these situations naruto had some level of instruction. For summoning and rasengan he was trained by jiraiya, and for kage bunshin he had the forbidden scroll of sealing. Even his uzumaki rendan is a copy of the Lee's lotus, which he observed more than once.

    I do agree that it is possible that naruto will get additional elements in the long term, but for the moment there has been no evidence to say "naruto is getting a second element".

    Argument 3
    People also use the "naruto is the highest genius" argument to justify him combining 2 or more elements together. However, kakashi has already stated that it requires a bloodline limit. Now, for some reason, people seem to think that naruto's genius will overcome that measly requirement, allowing him to be the first to perfrom bloodline techniques without a bloodline.

    To this argument i would reply thus: Has, or does it look likely, naruto that naruto will master Sharingan? Or Byukagan? Or Kabuto's healing? Or Kimmamaro's bones? There is no evidence to suggest that bloodlines can be achieved by anything other than genetics. There is also no evidence to suggest that naruto has a bloodline limit, either. It is fine to speculate that it is possible, but its when people say its probable without supplying evidence that they are really overstepping the line.

    Overall, the title of this thread really captures what i'm trying to say. The mention of certain possibilities in the naruto world has led to many people assuming them to be likely.

    Sorry for the long rant, but this is something i have been thinking about and was pleased to see that someone else thought the same way.


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    Does Everybody Has 2 Different Chakras??

    Hi!

    I don't know if anyone ask this but since I did not fine an answer or a thread then here it goes

    I'm a little confused,Does everybody has 2 different chakras?? I mean Naruto has his normal chakra, the one which he can creates the rasengan but what is the wind chakra?? Isn't the same chakra??

    what's the difference??

    if someone can explain me it will be very thankful

    Jane!

    EDIT: Title edited for clarification - bax

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    Re: A stupid Question

    every jonin can use 2 element chakras but not all can fuse them together thats whats called kekkai genkai .. i guess ^.^




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    Re: A stupid Question

    There r two types of chakra within naruto, one is naruto's blue chakra and the other is Kyubi's read chakra. Wat u r talikn abt are elements like wind, water, fire, earth and lightning.

    The rasengan is just a ball of fast moving chakra. Naruto's chakra is normal and is blue in color.

    Every ninja in the Naruto anime can produce chakra And the chakra that they produce contains five elements namely; Earth, wind, fire, water and light (lightning). Every ninja is unique in the sense that they produce different propotions of the elements in their chakra and hence have more control over a certain elements compared to the others. Like Sasuke is more comformtable with fire.

    Now rasengan is just chakra maipulation that means that its just chakra(containing all 5 elements) that is being manipulated by spining it at a very fast speed.

    Wat naruto is supposed to do in the current training is put his wind element into the spinning ball of chakra. Since wind element is his most dominant element.

    So to anwer ur question everybody has 5 elements within them however they r able to manipulate some more efficiently than others.

    Right now we know that naruto's dominant elemnet is wind so he is concentrating on that one elemnt (wind) which is present in his chakra.

    And it is not called the wind chakra its wind element thats where u get mixed up. Chidori contains lightning element and has a form manipulation that makes it look like bolts of lightning. Whereas the rasengan is a mix of all the elements and hence it is raw chakra (blue in color) that has a form manipulation taht makes it spin really really fast. It is only a spinning ball with no element present hence it is called an incomplete jutsu.

    I hope i cleared a few things. I know I'm goin around the bush but today has been a stressful day so........ cant help it.

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    Re: A stupid Question

    Thanks!! you guys

    I just got a little mess up because I read somewhere wind chakra so I was huh??

    anyways thanks shariganLs your explanation was great, it help me a lot!!

    Jane

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    Re: A stupid Question

    in the manga translation i have of naruto telling jiraiya about his chakra, he says his chakra is yellow and the other (kyuubi's) is red. That always bothered me about the anime...since it is shown as being blue and all...

    Heh. Sorry, that was probably way off topic. XP

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    Re: A stupid Question

    I have a theory on How Chakra Works that offers detailed explanations of all of these ideas.

    Normal Chakra
    i'm of the opinion that chakra is a standard sort of medium, like blood. Everyones blood essentially performs the same function and has many properties in common with all other blood types, however there are subtle differences that make them unique to the person [type, dna etc]. In the same way everyone has their own chakra that is unique to themselves (eg, come chakras have a different 'colour' or 'feel'), however it shares many of the properties of other peoples chakra.

    It is like electricity in the sense that it does not resemble/contain elements or other energy forms, but can be converted (through ninjutsu) into other forms (elements etc).

    Nature Manipulation [chakra converision]
    However, when we consider Nature Manipulation, its a case of manipulating the nature of the chakra. If you were to imagine chakra as electricity, it is easy to see that different electrical appliances can convert it into many distinct different forms of energy. A stereo produces sound, a microwave produces microwaves, a heater produces heat, a fluro tube produces light, a motor produces torque/motion etc etc etc. The important thing to remember is that they all use the same energy source - electricity - but have different conversion mechnisms that dictate the ouput energy form.

    The same argument applies to changing chakra into the various elements.

    Different characters have different pre-dispositions that make them more compatible with different conversions. Naruto happens to be most compatible with wind chakra manipulation etc etc. Characters can strive to learn extra conversions[elements] but it doesn't come as narutally, as it is not what they are biologically suited to.

    This is analagous to saying that one person is naturally pre-disposed to be more compatable with linguistics, whereas a different person may be more suited to mathematics. That doesnt mean that either persons cant learn to perform the less compatible task, its just that it will never be as easy and take more work to improve. It is therefore concievable that a ninja may be able to use all five elements(possinly not equally well), but it will take a lot of time, training and skill.

    Form Manipulation
    'Form manipulation' is the act of manipulating the shape, motion, release, etc of the chakra. Usually it is regular chakra that is manipulated in this way [Rasengan v1.0] because it is much more difficult to manipulate the form of elemental chakra [Rasengan v2.0].



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    Re: A stupid Question

    Always depend on Lucky for expalinations about Naruto when it comes to chakra n' stuff XD.
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    Re: A stupid Question

    I do agree with Lucky's explaination on Form manipulation however u are a bit off on chakra manipulation.

    Cause u said "changing chakra into the various elements".

    You cannnot change chakra into elements; Elements(fire, water, wind , earth and lightning) are present within the chakra.

    When ever a ninja does ninjitsu he/she concentrates on a certain element of his chakra. When sasuke is molding(molding is combining spiritual and physical energy to form chakra) his chakra inorder to do Gōkakyū no Jutsu he concentrates only on the fire element of his chakra then does the necessary seals and breaths out the jutsu. Hence Chidori and Gōkakyū no Jutsu are called elemtal jutsus cause they manipulate a particular element prsent in the chakra.

    The five elements are present in different quantities within the chakra of every ninja. And every ninja is unique possessing different amounts compared to others. For example The uchiha clan may have more fire element present in their chakra compared to the rest of the clans in Konoha. Hence it is easier for some ninja's to manipulate fire element and others to manipulate wind element or other elements.

    It is even harder to concentrate on two elements at the same time. That is wat the Shodaime did with his Mokuton (Wood Release) techniques combining earth element and water element present within his chakra.


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    Was this outlined in a chapter somewhere? Like that the five elements are present in all chakras? Also, can you give the chapter where it talks about sasuke performing that fire jutsu? Or was it just a thought up example?

    Im looking into this a bit more, as i will factor it into my theory if it is correct.


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    Re: A stupid Question

    I thought I read this somewhere long back or may be I saw it on one of the episodes, I'm not sure. I'll go through the chapters and the episodes for proof.

    Note: The Gōkakyū no Jutsu was a thought up example. I am currently on epi 86 and have found no proof yet. Until I find some proof plz consider my thoughts on elements and chakra as just a theory. Sorry, I should have done a little more research before I put it up; that was stupid of me .

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    No worries, its a fair theory. I'll be interested to see how you go


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    Re: A stupid Question

    I sorta think elemental affinity is different from doing an elemental jutsu. Sure having the same element as the jutsu you're about to do makes it an easier learning experience, but when learning different types of elemental jutsu such as suiton or katon the only thing that plays apart is the amount of training or just skill one has. So I'm sorta leaning towards sharinganLS's theory of people having different proportions of elemental chakra one can produce as it seems to imply that everyone can learn a different element type justu.
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    Re: A stupid Question

    Sorry guys I couldn't find proof, So please consider my opinion as a theory. Sorry once again I should have researched. Damit it.

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