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Thread: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
    It feels a little that Berserk is becoming less... Berserk to be honest.
    In the very first chapters, Gutts was so different! Totally deflective towards Puck and licking off the blood from his hands which came from his brand, absolutely thirsty for battle. He was even torturing a dying demon for no reason by puncturing it with arrows... slaying the dying count in front of his young daughter until his knife breaks... hell, what a dark guy he was! It was cooler than the current state definitly, Gutts is becoming more socialised... it's a little sad to see this happening. to be honest I hope his current group to die a terrible death so Gutts can return to his old style.
    At least his change was plausible as he met those people reminding him of his old company... however, it's not as cool as it was

    In any case I just noticed that it's definitly worth reading the first three volumes over again after having caught up with the current chapters, damn Gatts displayed an amount of badassness like it never again happens afterwards
    "Just die then... It's so easy... Just cut your wrist with that knife then it will end. You'll be cut off from that horrible thing. Like you may be able to get to heaven... or rather go to hell so you can meet your mom and dad."
    Wait what?!? Seriously?!? Maybe it's just because i watched the anime first, but seeing Gattsu fall to that level really bugged me. In the golden age arc you watch him turn from a brawny badass with no place in the world to a brawny badass who's finally found a home. And then he gets fucked over and goes back to being a brawny badass but this time the whole world's against him and he's a bit more of an asshole.
    I don't know about you, but I hated that. I mean I loved watching Gattsu kill the demons but I hated that he was put in that position. Things are finally looking up for our hero and now you want everyone to die again?
    Personally, I think Gattsu has shown an enormous amount of development in the latest arcs. He's not so set on revenge as he was before, so I don't want to watch him backtrack again.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Allright, I see many people have sympathies with Gutt's current group and so do I, but I had even more sympathies with the uniqueness of Berserk in the beginning
    Ok, maybe it would be overdone to kill all of them, but one or two possibly...

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Guts' attitude in the beginning wasn't really "unique" at all for the 80s. Maybe the brutalism of the series was rather extreme, but there were plenty of manly, GAR series in the 80s.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
    It feels a little that Berserk is becoming less... Berserk to be honest.
    In the very first chapters, Gutts was so different! Totally deflective towards Puck and licking off the blood from his hands which came from his brand, absolutely thirsty for battle. He was even torturing a dying demon for no reason by puncturing it with arrows... slaying the dying count in front of his young daughter until his knife breaks... hell, what a dark guy he was! It was cooler than the current state definitly, Gutts is becoming more socialised... it's a little sad to see this happening. to be honest I hope his current group to die a terrible death so Gutts can return to his old style.
    At least his change was plausible as he met those people reminding him of his old company... however, it's not as cool as it was

    In any case I just noticed that it's definitly worth reading the first three volumes over again after having caught up with the current chapters, damn Gatts displayed an amount of badassness like it never again happens afterwards
    "Just die then... It's so easy... Just cut your wrist with that knife then it will end. You'll be cut off from that horrible thing. Like you may be able to get to heaven... or rather go to hell so you can meet your mom and dad."
    Miura is too good a story teller to make a mistake on characters like that. :P What he showed us is how detached he was from people because he was a constant risk to their lives. Then we had the Golden Arc where we saw how compassionate he truly could be and how well he worked with people. Then the eclipse where he reverted basically back to the way he was after running away from his jack ass dad. A rogue bad ass.

    Slowly he gained comrades again and he has warmed up to them similar to how he was in the Golden Age. And you can't really deny how awesome the first page of Berserk is. :P F'ing a monster then blowing her head off. Simply hooked me there.
    Give the best manga of all time some attention!

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    LOLwut? Gutts' attitude is justified in any way. Did you even see what happened to him before the Retribution arc? I'm not even going to list the things that happened, cause it's too atrocious. This guy can act like shit to whoever he wants to. His excuse is "wanna trade places?". Auto-win, every time.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
    It feels a little that Berserk is becoming less... Berserk to be honest.
    In the very first chapters, Gutts was so different! Totally deflective towards Puck and licking off the blood from his hands which came from his brand, absolutely thirsty for battle. He was even torturing a dying demon for no reason by puncturing it with arrows... slaying the dying count in front of his young daughter until his knife breaks... hell, what a dark guy he was! It was cooler than the current state definitly, Gutts is becoming more socialised... it's a little sad to see this happening. to be honest I hope his current group to die a terrible death so Gutts can return to his old style.
    At least his change was plausible as he met those people reminding him of his old company... however, it's not as cool as it was

    In any case I just noticed that it's definitly worth reading the first three volumes over again after having caught up with the current chapters, damn Gatts displayed an amount of badassness like it never again happens afterwards
    "Just die then... It's so easy... Just cut your wrist with that knife then it will end. You'll be cut off from that horrible thing. Like you may be able to get to heaven... or rather go to hell so you can meet your mom and dad."
    Just blame Caska for that...but you know, there would be no fun if there were no character development...

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roflkopt3r View Post
    Allright, I see many people have sympathies with Gutt's current group and so do I, but I had even more sympathies with the uniqueness of Berserk in the beginning
    Ok, maybe it would be overdone to kill all of them, but one or two possibly...
    His attitude is very close to the same, but his survival has become hinged on protecting others. It makes sense that he would feel a sense of camaraderie. I think the manga is more so setting the stage for the big climax between him and the God Hand. Gutts doesn't really get the opportunity to torture his foes like he used to, but I bet if he did he would love it. He's got bigger fish to fry though, and he's up to the task now.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    I think Gutts is coming full circle to his time in Band of Hawks. As a loan, violent avenger he was in danger of being overwhelmed by darkness, consumed by the curse, condemned to walk in darkness. By accepting his companions and fighting to protect them, rather than for revenge alone, he has become more like the Gutts of the Golden Age, rather than the Gutts of the Black Swordsman/Retribution arc.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    The only arc I didn't like was the one with the girl who wished to be an elf. Long, overdrawn and pointless. It was a totally different atmosphere from the previous chapter (which I think was Griffith's rebirth)

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    I personally like the way Berserk is now just as much as I liked the beginning. Even though Gutts has become a little bit soft, it is neccesary for him to tone things down to keep those usefull people around him.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Quote Originally Posted by xfactor View Post
    The only arc I didn't like was the one with the girl who wished to be an elf. Long, overdrawn and pointless. It was a totally different atmosphere from the previous chapter (which I think was Griffith's rebirth)
    Actually I thought so as well while reading it, but afterwards it seemed kinda fine to me. A raging Gatsu with some awesome shots and the introduction into the Vatican army stuff. It was quite ok. It really felt like a "filler" of an anime, as it truly was a total side story, but it still was nice.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    I like the beginning of Berserk ... I like berserk until Griffith becomes Femto.
    I liked the original casca ... but that rape killed my envy to read more. I continued for some chapters but it was just not the same for me. I was not interested in the new characters and Casca was just annoying after her rape.

    I read some dark mangas (ichi the killer) or weird/disturbing mangas (homonculus) but still ... I had to stop Berserk ... I couldn't continue reading a manga where main characters are completely messed up because of Femto
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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    Quote Originally Posted by zelllogan View Post
    I like the beginning of Berserk ... I like berserk until Griffith becomes Femto.
    I liked the original casca ... but that rape killed my envy to read more. I continued for some chapters but it was just not the same for me. I was not interested in the new characters and Casca was just annoying after her rape.

    I read some dark mangas (ichi the killer) or weird/disturbing mangas (homonculus) but still ... I had to stop Berserk ... I couldn't continue reading a manga where main characters are completely messed up because of Femto
    Wow, that's totally the oposite of my point of view. I love it when a story gets rerolled all over due to such an amazing turnaround. When a story is too straight forward for a too long time, it becomes boring, but here the whole story got changed in a most amazing way.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    For me, it's awesome.

    Berserk is kind of different, but it's great without all that raw violence. Now, it seems more focused on the characters development, not only on Gatts anger.

    Now we have a new Schierck, who turn out to be a good partner and left to be that spoilt child, always complaining.

    Same for Farnese, I think she is the one who has most development so far. From a crazy pyromaniac and sadistic woman, she turn out to be a great witch, who can perform a very strong spell without any complications and side effects - even Schierck had a hard time when she performed the same spell.

    I love the way it is, but I just hate the long waiting for a next chapter, lol.

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    Re: What do you think of Berserk then and now?

    I've thought on this one for a while, and it's been kind of a painful realization for me, Berserk once being my favorite manga. Forgive me, but I need to vent.

    I really miss older chapters. Especially the Golden Age. The story used to feel epic and focused, now it's going through these side stories every other arc for months at a time. (or years)

    It used to be a series grounded in reality with ominous and intense leaps into fantasy. But now it's becoming the other way around.
    It's not a group of soldiers using their wits and skill to survive anymore. It's a group, half comprised of kids and fairies, using mystical powers to hold off enemies long enough for them to simply nuke them with magic. You can make battles bigger/flashier, but it doesn't have the impact that the war among mercenaries had, where a simple stab wound could hold weight, or where treachery in the royal court would take place. Now characters can set themselves on fire and leap through lightning as long as they have magical healing on standby.

    I miss when there weren't characters used strictly for comic relief, and making the art deteriorate every panel they're in like some shonen series. Even in the middle of scenes you're supposed to take seriously, they're desperate for Puck to fit in jokes. Do Yoda impressions honestly make the battles more intense? Berserk used to excel in dark symbolism, and even tragic romance. But the series has lost its dark atmosphere, and now half the characters have heavy plot armor. (unless someone can justify how Isidro and Puck survive apostle encounters while other characters haven't, this statement stands)

    Lastly there's the waits for release. I'm fine seeing some series like Gantz come monthly every so often. I don't try to judge a series based on late release dates as long as it delivers. But we've literally waited three years for what feels like a filler arc. We have a main character with a vendetta against an angel of darkness, why are we spending time on enemies the comic relief characters could beat?

    I'm not saying the series won't ever pick up for me again. I still have the hope that the story can get back on track someday, hopefully with them finally getting to Elfhelm and fixing Casca.
    But I doubt it'll ever be like it was..
    Last edited by York; May 24, 2011 at 03:14 AM.

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