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Thread: The Japanese Study Thread

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    hey could someone tell me what these characters are. I'm pretty sure they're hiragana but i dunno. I'm just beginning to learn this stuff.


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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Quote Originally Posted by _reticentness
    "rita". Yes, it's hiragana.
    出産間近のうちの妻曰く「お産だけに、押さんといて!」
    そう。女性とは言えど見事に親父ギャグを発するのである。

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    thanks for that.  the ri thingy looks different than the one I learned. 

    I have another question.  I've figured out the sounds to this next one sort of.  but I have no idea what word or words it is. 


    something else...
    and is it ok to just have a random katakana character in the middle of a bunch of hiragana?  I know it'd be ok if it were a word but it's just one character.

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Quote Originally Posted by _reticentness
    thanks for that. the ri thingy looks different than the one I learned.

    I have another question. I've figured out the sounds to this next one sort of. but I have no idea what word or words it is.


    something else...
    and is it ok to just have a random katakana character in the middle of a bunch of hiragana? I know it'd be ok if it were a word but it's just one character.
    いかといえば
    i-ka-to-i-e-ba

    From my experience, having a single katakana character is usually just an accent. The most frequent one I say is the katakana character "ン" (n). I'd have to see it in context to let you know.

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    I figured that much out but I'm having trouble figuring out where one word stops and another one begins. I guess I need to just go study vocabulary stuff. can someone tell me what i-ka-to-i-e-ba means. please.

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Quote Originally Posted by _reticentness
    I figured that much out but I'm having trouble figuring out where one word stops and another one begins. I guess I need to just go study vocabulary stuff. can someone tell me what i-ka-to-i-e-ba means. please.
    It really depends on the context of what it's in. It can mean a lot of things, being all hiragana.

    As for finding out when words stop, you really need to study your particles, those clue you in big time on when stuff starts and stops. Kanji strings usually denote combination words and such. Practice, practice, practice.

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Hell, I find a string of hiragana a lot more difficult to parse through than a normal sentence.

    It'll all get easier when you start up with kanji. They make sentences a lot more readable. (and at the same time, less readable if you don't know them. o.O)

    And yeah, you need to give more. "-i ka to ieba" needs something before it to make it make sense, otherwise it's just a trailing bit of grammar.
    Unless the sentence is something along the lines of "so right, let's assume this is squid..."

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Quote Originally Posted by _reticentness
    Can someone tell me what i-ka-to-i-e-ba means. please.
    Assuming it starts out a sentence, "Speaking of squid..." would be the most conventional translation.

    Then again, it really depends on the context. It could be the somewhat idiomatic "to ieba" construction that one uses when talking about (not sure what to call it) "intrinsic association", perhaps? Something like, "ika to ieba tako", translated along the lines of, "saying 'squid' makes [me/you] think 'octopus'"...

    Point is, it could really be a lot of things... Also, if this is just normal Japanese writing, there's a really good chance that "ika" doesn't mean "squid" as "ika" would quite commonly be written in katakana.
    出産間近のうちの妻曰く「お産だけに、押さんといて!」
    そう。女性とは言えど見事に親父ギャグを発するのである。

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Quote Originally Posted by Nihongaeri
    Assuming it starts out a sentence, "Speaking of squid..." would be the most conventional translation.

    Then again, it really depends on the context. It could be the somewhat idiomatic "to ieba" construction that one uses when talking about (not sure what to call it) "intrinsic association", perhaps? Something like, "ika to ieba toko", translated along the lines of, "saying 'squid' makes [me/you] think 'octopus'"...

    Point is, it could really be a lot of things... Also, if this is just normal Japanese writing, there's a really good chance that "ika" doesn't mean "squid" as "ika" would quite commonly be written in katakana.
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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Quote Originally Posted by njt
    typo my friend "tako"
    Doh!
    出産間近のうちの妻曰く「お産だけに、押さんといて!」
    そう。女性とは言えど見事に親父ギャグを発するのである。

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    Whoa, thx a lot GK (and other informative persons who post here) for going through the trouble explaining these things....
    i like this educative thread.....

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    Re: The Japanese Language

    ハイ~~イ! みんなさん 

    Even if I'm a Japanese to french translator/scanlator, I'm still learning Japanese... and I think I'll always !
    I'd like to thank you all for this very interesting topic.

    My parents gave me a nice present one day, a Japanese Calligraphy... I've decoded some Kanjis, but it looks like an ancient way of writing. As you are all very skilled here  can anyone help me to describe this ? i'd like to have the Kanji written if possible...

    Thank you !!

    Here is the thing :
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    Re: The Japanese Language

    It probably would be better to ask all Japanese questions over in "General Translation Questions" subforum in "Meet the Translators," or ask any individual translator in their threads.

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    The Mysterious Japanese

    As we discuss with Njt, this thread is dedicated to all the rare, creepy or hard japanese that you find in your translator's life. Words, expression or sentence construction are accepted, all that cannot be easily found . I begin myself with some abbreviation that I found in Genshiken.

    As you may know in Japanese Schools, clubs are making an important part of the students life. Here some of clubs abbreviation that appears in the manga Genshiken.

    現視研[げんしけん] : abbreviation of 現代視覚文化[げんだいしかくぶんか] which means "The society for the study of modern visual culture". This club is dedicated to gather the sutdy of manga, anime, game, in an nutshell, all Otaku's passion

    漫研[まんけん] : manga club ; abbreviation of 漫画研究会[まんがけんきゅうかい] which means "The society for the study of manga"

    アニ研[あにけん] : anime club ; abbreviation of アニム研究会[あにむけんきゅうかい] which means "The society for the study of anime"

    I'll put also another abbreviation that use the author :

    都産貿[とさんぼう] : abbreviation of 都立産業貿易センター[とりつさんぎょうぼうえきせんたー] which means "Municipal center of the foreign trade industry" (check, bad english >.<). It should be in Tôkyô but I can't say if this place really exists. The author said that this place is generally used to display and sale new Dôjinshi (同人誌即売会によく使われる)
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    Re: The Japanese Language

    As a side note, to clear what someone mentioned. A small history lesson.

    (Note: This is what I've heard, some things could be wrong.)
    Hiragana was originally created as a way to allow women to write. Men were required to write in only kanji. At some point a man actually masqueraded as a woman to write a novel with hiragana in it which became famous. (One of the first Japanese novels in fact, if I'm right he wrote the Genji Story.)

    Things like that happened and eventually Japan adopted the kanji and hiragana/katakana style they have today.

    This is what I've heard, not sure if it is 100% historically accurate by the way. Japanese TV gives out so much info it gets jumbled in my head.
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