Your Thoughts on Chad

[ILUVATAR]

Remus chill out. it's the third time you say how cool would be if chad gains a full armor :P
We must not forget that Urahara himself said that Chads powers are familiar to a hollows....we'll see what future is hiding from us..... we shall see

[Remus]

Hey he is one of the coolest characters. Got big potential and might be a key character in the upcoming arc so let me swim in fantasy ^_^ .

sorry for OT

[ILUVATAR]

check out this scenario. when Urahara said that Chad's powers are familiar to those of something he might wanted to tell us a hint of another kind of hyper-human thing. nor a shinigami nor a quincy... but something else... wouldn't that be some kinda lame or something
naaah, i still believe he ment the powers of a hollow. and he also said that his powers have much room to grow more and more (so we can always expect a full armor)....
what about Inoue? ... will she get any stronger? i know that this is OUT of topic but since Tsubaki is DEAD if i remember correct then she can no longer attack anything. she only has the shield and the healing now. at least i hope she can upgrade those powers

[Pevee]

this might be a **spoiler**






Chad has a *giant* heritage.. Meaning, he's (part) giant himself.. I got this from one of my friends; I think he's got it from a reliable source, maybe. I mean, think about it, it kinda make sense.

Also another *spoiler* about another character the manga doesn't mention much about>> Inoue

I've heard that she's an elf, just like how Chad is part giant...


I'm not positive about this,but I think I can see it in the manga[br]Posted at: May 08, 2006, 09:25:50 PM_________________________________________________sorry to be out of topic, by the way.. . . . I just noticed it.
SO SORRY!!!!!

[_ATMA]

well..... its a little outrageous... but so far anything seems possible -.- lol no one knows can u try and find out where this thing about him being part "giant" or w/e?

[Lucia]

I think both Chad & Orihime's powers are derive from hollow. According to Urahara, Chad's ability is neither shinigami nor quincy. The only other kind of power that I can think of is hollow. Recall what Hutch said about Orihime's powers. He said that his barrier & Orihime's barrier are similar. He developed that barrier technique after he became a viazard. So, basically after he became part hollow. Of course, this is all speculation right now since the only one who can confirm it is Kubo, but Urahara and Hutch's info concerning Chad & Orihime's powers are, I believe, already hints on what sort of powers those two might have.

I have this really crazy theory that's been floating in my head since ch225. Okay, I'm not entirely certain when the hougyoko is placed in Rukia, but I think it was BEFORE she ever met Ichigo. If that is so, then this my theory. What IF Ichigo was somehow affected by the hougyoko during the power transfer. Recall, the hougyoko is suppose to bridge the gap between a shinigami & a hollow. If Ichigo was indeed affected by the hougyoko, then it's possible that he already have a hollow part in him before the shattered shaft incident. I don't know if you folks remember that time when the menos grande appeared & the time when Renji & Byakuya came to take Rukia back to Soul Society. There were incidents in those scenes where Ichigo's personality seem to change a little. Perhaps, this is the hollow part in him trying to resurface. Maybe, the hollow was still in dormant state that's why it didn't manifested itself fully until during/after the shattered shaft. We know that Ichigo's reitsu is constantly 'leaking'. Maybe, this is how (if their powers are hollow derive) Chad & Orihime got 'infected.' Perhaps, Ichigo didn't just awaken their dormant powers, but they were probably also affected by his hollow powers as well. Also, Tatsuki & Keigo are probably affected by Ichigo's reitsu too, but since they weren't that much around him, they're powers are probably not as 'advance' as Chad & Orihime.

[hyunckel]

COme on lucia. keigo had been dancing around ichigo like the idiot he is before rukia came along. while tatsuki had been sparring with ichigo since before his mother died. chad and orihime probabaly had innate powers since time began, maybe it would come out someday later in their life. ichigo's reiatsu probably hasten its birth or something.

about orihime's powers, hutch probably summed it best (chp. 226), its probably hollow/vaizard. probably chad's the same.

[neomaster121]

well i agree with lucia since ohrime and chad powers came to light as soon as ichigo got his powers and tetsuya is starting to see ghost and i think thats because of how much time she spent with him after he got his powers. Ichigo hung around with inoue and chad alot more than tetsuya

[SchmoDawg]

Umm I really doubt chads a giant and orihime is an elf. One other thing to remember is that ALL of these characters live in the same town, which happens to be the royal gateway, that could have something to do with everyone having abnormal powers for a human.

[_ATMA]

i think all humans probably have some sort of dormant power just ichigo woke those powers up before they woke up on their own

[jabbament]

I have this really crazy theory that's been floating in my head since ch225. Okay, I'm not entirely certain when the hougyoko is placed in Rukia, but I think it was BEFORE she ever met Ichigo.

I like the theory, but it can't be for 2 reasons.

First:

Ichigo already had his Spiritual Pressure before he met Rukia. She even complained about it and said there was something blocking/disturbing/hindering her senses:


And Ichigo was able to break out of her Kidoh:


All Rukia did by transferring her powers over was awaken what was inside him already. That's why after Byakuya thought he ended things when Rukia was taken back, he was able to become a Shinigami again.

Second:

Rukia got Urahara's Gigai/Hogyoku right after Chapter1. Once Rukia was injured from protecting Ichigo, she was lying on the ground and Urahara comes up and says:


Remember right after she gave her powers (or tried to give half of her powers) to Ichigo, she appeared wearing that white robe. It also explains her and Urahara's relationship (remember, she gets Kon from him a few chapters later). So, this is most likely when it was burried into her soul...or probably more like, Urahara fused it into the heart of the Gigai, and when she took on the Gigai it became burried in her soul.


Same white robe she's got in the flashback with Urahara in the previous page.

Besides, Urahara hasn't been in Soul Society for 100 years...when would he have put it inside Rukia? The contact between Rukia and Urahara was because of his gigai...that's how come she kept going to him when she was on earth.

Umm I really doubt chads a giant and orihime is an elf. One other thing to remember is that ALL of these characters live in the same town, which happens to be the royal gateway, that could have something to do with everyone having abnormal powers for a human.

Yeah, I don't think its anything like that...I mean, this is Bleach, not Final Fantasy or Lord of the Rings or anything. So far, there are 3 basic races...Human, Shinigami, Hollow (and their Hybrids). Quincy's aren't included since there are only 2 known left alive.

If anyone was an elf, then it'd be Ishida...if you want to start assigning random races and things to everyone, then sure!
Ishida = Elf, Chad/Sado = Giant/Ogre, Orihime = teh Fairy Queen!

And, about Chad/Sado being part Giant...weren't his parents killed in a car crash? They were feeble...Chad/Sado is just unnaturally strong. If there is any Giant blood or anything like that inside of him, then it would have been inside his parents too...but they died a very normal death. Chad/Sado has had a freakin' I-beam fall on him, and got hit by a motorcycle with fairly minor injures considering the incidents.

C'mon ya'll...Ichigo, Chad/Sado, and Orihime are all humans. Introducing a new "race" this late into things wouldn't be a great thing to do. Way too late into the series for a new race to appear. We saw the basic races before Ichigo went to Soul Society to rescue Rukia. No chance.

[_ATMA]

I like the theory, but it can't be for 2 reasons.

First:

Ichigo already had his Spiritual Pressure before he met Rukia. She even complained about it and said there was something blocking/disturbing/hindering her senses:


And Ichigo was able to break out of her Kidoh:


All Rukia did by transferring her powers over was awaken what was inside him already. That's why after Byakuya thought he ended things when Rukia was taken back, he was able to become a Shinigami again.

Second:

Rukia got Urahara's Gigai/Hogyoku right after Chapter1. Once Rukia was injured from protecting Ichigo, she was lying on the ground and Urahara comes up and says:


Remember right after she gave her powers (or tried to give half of her powers) to Ichigo, she appeared wearing that white robe. It also explains her and Urahara's relationship (remember, she gets Kon from him a few chapters later). So, this is most likely when it was burried into her soul...or probably more like, Urahara fused it into the heart of the Gigai, and when she took on the Gigai it became burried in her soul.


Same white robe she's got in the flashback with Urahara in the previous page.

Besides, Urahara hasn't been in Soul Society for 100 years...when would he have put it inside Rukia? The contact between Rukia and Urahara was because of his gigai...that's how come she kept going to him when she was on earth.

Yeah, I don't think its anything like that...I mean, this is Bleach, not Final Fantasy or Lord of the Rings or anything. So far, there are 3 basic races...Human, Shinigami, Hollow (and their Hybrids). Quincy's aren't included since there are only 2 known left alive.

If anyone was an elf, then it'd be Ishida...if you want to start assigning random races and things to everyone, then sure!
Ishida = Elf, Chad/Sado = Giant/Ogre, Orihime = teh Fairy Queen!

And, about Chad/Sado being part Giant...weren't his parents killed in a car crash? They were feeble...Chad/Sado is just unnaturally strong. If there is any Giant blood or anything like that inside of him, then it would have been inside his parents too...but they died a very normal death. Chad/Sado has had a freakin' I-beam fall on him, and got hit by a motorcycle with fairly minor injures considering the incidents.

C'mon ya'll...Ichigo, Chad/Sado, and Orihime are all humans. Introducing a new "race" this late into things wouldn't be a great thing to do. Way too late into the series for a new race to appear. We saw the basic races before Ichigo went to Soul Society to rescue Rukia. No chance.

indeed i agree with u 100% im sticking with the whole diffrent hidden powers .... or develope certain powers overtime.... i say.... quency seemed to be more of a religon though........... lol?

we will probably seeing a new and improved sado soon hopefully though with some bad ass new abilites hmmm i might draw a "what if" in class and scan it XD

[Lucia]

I like the theory, but it can't be for 2 reasons.

First:

Ichigo already had his Spiritual Pressure before he met Rukia. She even complained about it and said there was something blocking/disturbing/hindering her senses:


And Ichigo was able to break out of her Kidoh:


All Rukia did by transferring her powers over was awaken what was inside him already. That's why after Byakuya thought he ended things when Rukia was taken back, he was able to become a Shinigami again.

I wasn't referring to Ichigo's shinigami powers, but his hollow half itself. I was thinking that perhaps he was somehow affected by the hougyoko during the power transfer and the hollow itself didn't manifest until the shattered shaft incident.

Second:

Rukia got Urahara's Gigai/Hogyoku right after Chapter1. Once Rukia was injured from protecting Ichigo, she was lying on the ground and Urahara comes up and says:


Remember right after she gave her powers (or tried to give half of her powers) to Ichigo, she appeared wearing that white robe. It also explains her and Urahara's relationship (remember, she gets Kon from him a few chapters later). So, this is most likely when it was burried into her soul...or probably more like, Urahara fused it into the heart of the Gigai, and when she took on the Gigai it became burried in her soul.


Same white robe she's got in the flashback with Urahara in the previous page.

Besides, Urahara hasn't been in Soul Society for 100 years...when would he have put it inside Rukia? The contact between Rukia and Urahara was because of his gigai...that's how come she kept going to him when she was on earth.

I don't know about Urahara concealing the hougyoko within the gigai itself. Where is that statement mention in the manga? From the way I interpreted Aizen's explanation, it seem to me that Urahara hid the hougyoko BEFORE Rukia met Ichigo. It wasn't hidden inside the gigai. The gigai was removed immediately and destroyed as soon as Rukia was captured. Aizen said so himself. If you're thinking that the hougyoko attach itself to Rukia when she was placed in the gigai, I have to disagree on that one. No where in the manga was it explain that way. Furthermore, why would Urahara choose to hide the hougyoko now? He was banished 100 years ago. Plenty of time to hide it on someone else and turn that unsuspecting soul into a human. I find it hard to believe that he will put the hougyoko & a spiritual-sucking gigai in a member of a famous noble house and doesn't anticipate that SS would be looking for her. He's a very smart man. I'm sure he would have figure out that shinigamis will come to retrieve Rukia, so why put the hougyoko in her now? It doesn't make sense. Also, the gigai's function is to turn Rukia into a human. That alone alerted SS that she was missing because she drop off their radar.

[jabbament]

I like spoiler tags.

I wasn't referring to Ichigo's shinigami powers, but his hollow half itself. I was thinking that perhaps he was somehow affected by the hougyoko during the power transfer and the hollow itself didn't manifest until the shattered shaft incident.

Hrm, okay, sorry about that, I misunderstood it then.
Personally, I think his hollow came about during Urahara's training (when he first met Zangetsu). At the end of his 2nd lesson, he was turning into a hollow, but halfway through, he managed to become a shinigami instead. Maybe the hollow born born at that point, but his Shinigami powers and Zangetsu became dominant at that point in time, and we don't see the hollow fight over Ichigo's body till later. I don't think Rukia had anything to do with it...well, keep reading.

I don't know about Urahara concealing the hougyoko within the gigai itself. Where is that statement mention in the manga? From the way I interpreted Aizen's explanation, it seem to me that Urahara hid the hougyoko BEFORE Rukia met Ichigo. It wasn't hidden inside the gigai. The gigai was removed immediately and destroyed as soon as Rukia was captured. Aizen said so himself. If you're thinking that the hougyoko attach itself to Rukia when she was placed in the gigai, I have to disagree on that one. No where in the manga was it explain that way. Furthermore, why would Urahara choose to hide the hougyoko now? He was banished 100 years ago. Plenty of time to hide it on someone else and turn that unsuspecting soul into a human. I find it hard to believe that he will put the hougyoko & a spiritual-sucking gigai in a member of a famous noble house and doesn't anticipate that SS would be looking for her. He's a very smart man. I'm sure he would have figure out that shinigamis will come to retrieve Rukia, so why put the hougyoko in her now? It doesn't make sense. Also, the gigai's function is to turn Rukia into a human. That alone alerted SS that she was missing because she drop off their radar.

Okay, fair enough. That's just my theory...but explain to me something? Sealing something inside someone's soul can't be a simple thing, can it? So, Rukia borrowed/rented this gigai from Urahara, and let him bury Hougyoku inside her soul and forgot about it (let alone had this thing inside her for 100+ years)? That's what doesn't make sense to me...but if Urahara somehow fused it into the gigai so that when someone took possession of it, it would transfer to their soul, that to me is more believable. How else would have have burried the hougyoku inside her soul without her knowing?

Yeah, but the timing and everything don't add up otherwise really, do they? Rukia is about 150, and Urahara was banished 100 years ago, assume she had been in Soul Society 20 years before she entered, those other 30 would have been school/training/missions and such with her 13th division. How else could he have actually hidden the hougyoku inside her if it wasn't through the gigai?

Either way, Urahara seems to have an entirely different motive. Perhaps he roughly knew what Aizen was doing, and knew about the Vaizards, and once he felt Ichigo's spiritual pressure on the night he "took" Rukia's powers, he decided to put his own plan into motion? Or perhaps he thought that since she was a noble, they would do things differently for her (he couldn't have predicted that Aizen would slaughter the Central 46 and issue fake orders, could he?) There has to be a reason for it...I know even the smartest person is going to make a mistake, but something like this is really is beyond words.

[Lucia]

I like spoiler tags.

Hrm, okay, sorry about that, I misunderstood it then.
Personally, I think his hollow came about during Urahara's training (when he first met Zangetsu). At the end of his 2nd lesson, he was turning into a hollow, but halfway through, he managed to become a shinigami instead. Maybe the hollow born born at that point, but his Shinigami powers and Zangetsu became dominant at that point in time, and we don't see the hollow fight over Ichigo's body till later. I don't think Rukia had anything to do with it...well, keep reading.

Oh, sorry about that. I didn't think it was necessary to put spoiler tags in this thread since the topic title did say, "Possible spoilers so don't read if u don't want to be spoiled"

Did you recall those chapters when Ichigo fought the menos (sorry can't recall what chapter that was) and on chapter 55 page 56 and onward, when Ichigo fought Renji the first time. On both cases, I noticed there was something 'odd' with Ichigo's personality. It's like it's not him at all. Also, when he fought the menos, his reitsu was increasing at a tremendous rate. It's the same during the time he fought Renji in the human world. I might be wrong about this, but whenever his hollow half comes out, his reitsu increases more, doesn't it? I mean his hollow half's arrival is indicated whenever Ichigo's reitsu increases abnormally.

Okay, fair enough. That's just my theory...but explain to me something? Sealing something inside someone's soul can't be a simple thing, can it? So, Rukia borrowed/rented this gigai from Urahara, and let him bury Hougyoku inside her soul and forgot about it (let alone had this thing inside her for 100+ years)? That's what doesn't make sense to me...but if Urahara somehow fused it into the gigai so that when someone took possession of it, it would transfer to their soul, that to me is more believable. How else would have have burried the hougyoku inside her soul without her knowing?

Yeah, but the timing and everything don't add up otherwise really, do they? Rukia is about 150, and Urahara was banished 100 years ago, assume she had been in Soul Society 20 years before she entered, those other 30 would have been school/training/missions and such with her 13th division. How else could he have actually hidden the hougyoku inside her if it wasn't through the gigai?

Either way, Urahara seems to have an entirely different motive. Perhaps he roughly knew what Aizen was doing, and knew about the Vaizards, and once he felt Ichigo's spiritual pressure on the night he "took" Rukia's powers, he decided to put his own plan into motion? Or perhaps he thought that since she was a noble, they would do things differently for her (he couldn't have predicted that Aizen would slaughter the Central 46 and issue fake orders, could he?) There has to be a reason for it...I know even the smartest person is going to make a mistake, but something like this is really is beyond words.

It's possible that Urahara could have use that same technique that Aizen used to extract the hougyoko from Rukia. I think it WAS Urahara's method afterall. Futhermore, he could have use that memory eraser thing on her after he inserted the hougyoko in her soul, therefore she won't know anything about it. Also, we know nothing of Rukia's past before she met Renji in Rokungai (sp?). That point in her life is still a mystery. Maybe, Urahara played some sort of role during those missing years. Who knows? I just don't think that it make sense at all for Urahara to put the hougyoko and the special gigai after she lost her powers to Ichigo, knowing that SS will come looking for her. He wanted the location of the hougyoko to disappear. So, it doesn't make sense to cause further attention, which what the gigai did because it hid Rukia from SS's radar. What I want to know from Kubo is WHY Urahara choose her to hide the hougyoko? Random choosing? I really don't believe that. Otherwise, it would have been mention already by now. There has to be a reason why Rukia was choosen to host the hougyoko because Urahara could have chosen some other poor soul to hide it in, and he didn't.