How does Lucci compare to the Shichibukai, Yonkou or higher level Marines?

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I guess Lucci is pretty strong I bet if he was a pirate he be a shichibukai. When fighting alot of stuff depends on like where you fight and exp If lucci was to fight croc in the desert I'm pretty sure he lose like alot of other people would but if he was like near a lake or something im pretty sure croc would lose one piece isn't the stronger one wins. If given the chance im pretty sure even someone like ussop could win a fight vs a shichibukai or something

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Before I forget this. Lucci is above Rear Admiral rank. Why? Drake is a Rear Admiral and way weaker then Lucci from what we've seen. And in my opinion Ussop would never beat a Sichibuki seriously. One last thing Lucci would probablly be able to beat both Moria and Crocodile no matter where they were.

[Destin82]

Before I forget this. Lucci is above Rear Admiral rank. Why? Drake is a Rear Admiral and way weaker then Lucci from what we've seen. And in my opinion Ussop would never beat a Sichibuki seriously. One last thing Lucci would probablly be able to beat both Moria and Crocodile no matter where they were.

I don't know about that. If Yassop can turn from that scrawny little blond guy to the one showed in

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/16-17/

I think eventually every Straw Hat pirate will become something to be reckoned with in their own right. I don't see anybody ever usurping Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji as the three main powerhouses of the group but doesn't mean any given member wont be able to beat shichibukai level pirates on their own near the end of the series.

[JC123]

If Usopp beats Aoge, then I'll believe he's ready for Shichibukai activity. Won't beat them but still...

I don't believe all of them will destroy Shichbukai on their own but it's good that with Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji being god moded some of the SHs are more normal.

Franky is an exception.

Now Lucci as above RA? Drake just showed a Very Very Rare fruit. Lizard Lizard Type Dino. He could take down Lucci within a heartbeat in a fight.

[BlackHair]

Before I forget this. Lucci is above Rear Admiral rank. Why? Drake is a Rear Admiral and way weaker then Lucci from what we've seen. And in my opinion Ussop would never beat a Sichibuki seriously. One last thing Lucci would probablly be able to beat both Moria and Crocodile no matter where they were.

I doubt that..

When fighting alot of stuff depends on like where you fight and exp If lucci was to fight croc in the desert I'm pretty sure he lose like alot of other people would but if he was like near a lake or something im pretty sure croc would lose one piece isn't the stronger one wins.

Exactly, we cant say Lucci is stronger then Corco or Moria. Well I do believe he could beat Moria but Crocco with his Logia power shouldn't be underestimated, just 'coz he was introduced early in the series.

And we cant estimate Drakes power on his previous rank. I'm sure he he got stronger since he left the marine, even if its just a bit. Also imo ranks doesn't matter, coz u can be promoted with hard work even if u r weak. Doesn't have to mean u have to be strong to get a certain rank, admiral and above must be sth different tho :P

[paradoxe]

We've hardly seen Drake fight, so can't really judge.

Besides, from what hes shown us, he seems to be pretty damn powerful. From stopping two fellow supernovae from fighting, to bashing a Pacifista into a wall and then nearly biting his head off, hes not some random weakling.

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Lucci is fast enough so that I'm pretty sure he could hit Crocodile even with his Logia fruit.And besides Lucci could probablly figure out the blood/water thing he's not stupid. And the fact that Drake has been getting stronger make's it even more likely that Lucci is above Rear Admiral strength. And can't be controlled by them. It's likely he's at average VA strength.

[UchihaMadara]

Im pretty much guessing the reason Why crocodiles bounty is so low is because he has argueably the weakest Logia type. A weakness to water in a world themed around Sailing the Ocean just isnt practical. Crocodiles strength really depends on his surrounding environment unlike other Logia types we've seen so far.not to mention Crocodile is useless when its raining.

Id say the likely hood of Lucci beating crocodile in a fight is fairly high,at the very least they would end with a draw. Crocodile had to put a decent bit of effort into hitting a Non-gear luffy. Lucci with his soru and Gepo would very easily be able to evade Crocodiles slow sand attacks.

I dont however believe he could beat Moria so easily, most especially with Oz.
Moria's doppleman was able to deal with Luffy's non-gear form WAY easier then Lucci was able to, and Moria was sitting on his ass not even taking the fight seriously combine that with his ability to swap places at will and that makes Moria no push over. Lets not forget, Luffy didnt defeat Moria, the Strawhat Crew defeated Moria.

[BlackHair]

There can be many reasons why his bounty is low: like he didn't caused many trouble or he could have joined the Shichi early etc. btw a bounty doesn't show the actual strength of some1.

As for the fighting scenario, indeed Lucci could easily evade Cocos attacks, but what's with his sand tornado or w.e? I doubt he could evade sth like with speed. Croco has still his Logia ability, which means even tho Lucci is hell fast I doubt he could hit Croco before he turns in sand.
Im not sure but wasn't he able to stop the rain with his powers? True, the OP world is filled with water and less soil, but water means death for both of them therefore they would fight on soil and by turning soil into sand, Croco would change the environment to his favour.

Well I'm not saying Croco is stronger, but to say he would lose easily isn't right imo.

Id say the likely hood of Lucci beating crocodile in a fight is fairly high,at the very least they would end with a draw.

I agree with that :P

As for Moria, the SHs defeated Oz and Luffy defeated Moria with Gear 2+3. And I think his powers would just buy him more time, in the end he would lose to Lucci.

And the fact that Drake has been getting stronger make's it even more likely that Lucci is above Rear Admiral strength.

I forget to write it earlier: what makes u think that Drake is weaker then him? Since he was in the marine, maybe he is also able to use CP9s combat ability?! (Rokishi or sth, to lazy to google). We have seen Lucci pushed by Luffy, therefore we were able to see him at full strength. We have to w8 for a few chapter to see Drakes ability. If we compare only their zoan type origin, Drakes is more powerful I guess.

Im still thinking: Lucci as strong as the (average) VA, as strong as the (average) Shichibukai, weaker then Yonkou. By "average", he could beat some of them, but not all.

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I dont think Lucci can beat Moria or croc.. in the desert Croc would pwn him.. and Moria becomes stronger when he sucks up all the shadows

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Anyway:
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I dont think Lucci can beat Moria or croc.. in the desert Croc would pwn him.. and Moria becomes stronger when he sucks up all the shadows

Eh?
Luffy fought Croc in the desert, without his gears. Lucci is way faster, stronger, and more powerful then Croc, even if he had all the sand in the world. The only way I can see Croc winning is by grabbing Lucci and sucking out the water from his body. I mean, Lucci could just tekkai whenever Croc attacks him with sand, and it wouldn't have much of an effect on him. Rokushiki is pretty imba :P

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you brought up some good points... ehh i donno i give up !!! il jus agree with you

[bittman]

I like how people reference things like: Luffy > Lucci > Moria because Luffy beat Moria and Lucci was hard. Or something like that.

Want a post-prediction? Luffy would have lost to Moria in a normal 1 on 1 fight. If you remember the battle, Moria only lost because of Nightmare Luffy's insane speed and power and Moria's carelessness in thinking he was fairly safe within Oz. I'd imagine sitting in a chair which gets tossed around isnt the easiest situation to get away from, and it was shown Nightmare Luffy scored tens of direct hits on Moria whilst pummeling Oz. If you then reference the battle after Oz's defeat where Moria, ridiculously beat up and insane to the point where he brought 1000 shadows to himself, then it is also not a correct measure given the points I just mentioned. Sure Luffy was also injured, but it was a fallout of Nightmare form and not direct attacks to his body.

Anyway, I could argue the point till I'm blue in the face, but my point is that Lucchi would either not have beaten Moria, or it would have been just as close as Luffy's battle with the Shichibukai was.

On topic, the best way to give a grade to Lucchi would be by giving him a fake bounty (as they did with Enel and Crocodile), but even then Lucchi would probably have a high bounty from a mix of his strength and his obvious love of blood and battle. I would predict, if Oda was asked, Lucchi would be given a similiar bounty to Enel (500 mil). As mentioned though, this doesn't mean he's stronger than Moria, Crocodile, etc. One Piece isn't extreme Janken (Rock Paper Scissors)

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You make some good points Bitman but I think if MOria wasn't given Shadow Asgard ability then Lucci could win. Moria is something like Crocodile with the desert if Moria has the help of his shadow's then yes he could probablly win but if it's a fair fight then I'd give it to Lucci.

If you bring in the crew of Moria then CP9 can help out Lucci too. Heck give Moria only 500 Shadows and I still think Lucci would win.