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Translations: Gintama 510 (2)
Havent seen this one on here before I dont think.
Starting Distance: 50 meters
Starting State: Kenpachi - Eyepatch on, Hitsugaya - Bankai
State of Mind: IC - desire to kill (i.e. opponent needs to die for a win).
Eyepatch stays on, HH restricted.
Eyepatch comes off, HH allowed.
Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; November 28, 2010 at 06:37 PM.
I saw this one on here a loooong time ago, but it's probably gone now. I remember people were debating whether or not Kenpachi could attack Toushirou because he can't fly or something like that.
I'd go with Kenpachi in both scenarios though. If he's out to kill, not enjoy himself, he's one of the most dangerous individuals in bleach; whereas Toushirou is pretty much always dead serious and ends still up getting owned (though granted it's usually against Aizen). I would have loved to see an encounter between Aizen and Zaraki though. Did those two even speak to each other once in the entire manga?
Anyway, when you put in that they both really want to kill each other, it kind of takes away the one handicap that Kenpachi has. If Kenpachi won't be allowing himself to be bloodied and just wants to end things, then damn.
Even so, Hitsugaya's no slouch either, and I'd give him scenario two simply because his best attack is pretty damn devastating, and when done with full petals should be even better than what we've seen. That being said, he never "killed" Halibel with it, and when the ice shattered, she was fine, makes me wonder what it's potential is. Killing or immobilization to set up for a kill?
Searched again and found one, but had a very generic scenario. I wanted discussion on specific scenarios.
Well Kenpachi's normal in character state is to kill or to have a battle like its life or death. What I meant was hes not going to walk away after he gets bored. He can still be in character and "play around" just that hes going to end the opponent before the battle ends.
Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; November 28, 2010 at 06:35 PM.
1.your should really add the option for Kenpachi to use Kendo inorder to make it more interesting lol
2.you really should add a pole.
and regarding the question at hand i'd give Kenpachi this win due to his sheer power and endurance which i think can overpower anything Hitsyugaya can throw at him
I believe I went with Hitsugaya even prior to the Ice Cicada BS and his HH. Kenpachi's an endurance monster, probably the best in the series actually bare those who do so with pure BS, but he's primarily close-mid ranged, and has no easy ways to get close to a person particularly one with Shunpo. Hitsugaya specializes in ranged combat and has shown fully capable of keeping his distance when he knows he's outclassed.
And against Kenpachi in CQC virtually everyone save Nnoitra and Yamamoto himself would be outclassed. Well, Barragon too, but that's more due to hax, not out and out skill.
Of course Kenpachi's not remotely out of the running, in addition to being a close ranged monster he's also got some massive ranged slashes he can easily fling and catch the kid by surprise. Even the wing defense isn't holding up, so it's a ranged endurance race, with Hitsugaya's offensive being more difficult do dodge (And better at setting up subsequent hits).
And Hitsugaya, though he's got some insane feats to boast himself is hard pressed to beat Kenpachi in endurance. It's only the fact that he's more likely to get hits in that makes me go with him. Hitsugaya, but it's close, making Kenpachi fall is a long and arduous task.
I agree that Hitsu can keep his distance well, but how is he a specialist in ranged combat? He charges people as much as Kenpachi does
Specialist as in his primary offensive force is all range capable. In a similar sense, Ulquiorra is a ranged specialist, as all his best moves are ranged, yet he still charges in like an idiot too, despite by his own words that likely screwing him over as well (Though granted given he can't hit jack with that move at range, the risk is necessary).
Granted you have to keep him from charging in regardless, but so long as you don't piss him off, which only Aizen and anything Hinamori related is required to do which isn't a factor here, he's show a clear knowledge of when to charge in and when not to at least. And you'd have to be a moron or Nnoitra or Yamamoto (Or Barragon, but he IS a moron so... >>) to challenge Kenpachi in CQC.
What I meant was, I don't seem to recall any of Hitsu's attacks, save one, that's actually ranged. I'd give him mid range maybe because the ice juts out pretty far, but he's not at all like Ulq who can spam Cero's. Perhaps we just differ on the definition of ranged, but I think Hitsu's greatest offense is close, much like Ken.
Flock of birds, Ice dragons, 1000 Year Prison, 100 Flower Burial, all those pretty much work exclusively of where he is in relation to the attack itself. Even his tail offensive extends quite far. Only close range move he has is Ryuusenka. Well, that and the Rotating Dragon Tail I suppose.
Maybe my knowledge on Hitsu is just really limited, gimme a minute...
Flock of birds is shooting icicles, I don't recall that one.
Has he ever used the dragon in Bankai?
The prison is definitely a ranged, as is the burial.
So it sounds like 3 in Bankai.
Is that really the bulk of his attacks though? I remember the prison, it takes so much time to set up, it requires a distracted enemy, which won't be happening if Ken wants to kill Hitsu. The burial is the main reason I give it to hitsu, but that's only in scenario 2. So all we have left is shooting icicles, I don't really see that as a game changer overall.
Last edited by Takahashi; November 28, 2010 at 07:06 PM.
Scenario 1-Even though Kenpachi's eye patch is on, I can still see him beating Hitsugaya since HH is restricted.
Scenario 2-Hitsugaya wins due to HH. There's a possibility that Kenpachi might be able to break out of the ice since his eye patch is off, but I doubt it.
Kenpachi is only effective against like a very limited type of opponent. Close range, slow (equal to his speed or slower) enemies...and idiots. Hitsugaya is none of these (I consider him faster than Kenpachi if only because Kenpachi hasn't shown shunpo level speed, and Hitsugaya can shunpo).
Inability to really control his reiatsu (it runs wild, no way to focus or strengthen it outside of removing his patch) at the level of other captain level opponents hinders his ability to tank ice too. He's got no hierro, and probably can't just "power up" the way the average shinigami could, so I doubt he'll just power out of Hitsugaya's stronger attacks.
Giving it to Hitsugaya, provided he stays the hell outta range. Which isn't difficult at all.
He can fire ice dragons:Quote:
And I think general "Ice contructs" that can travel pretty far: