Not a member? Register now!
Announcements
Like us on Facebook, follow us on Twitter! Celebrate another year with MH and read our yearbook.
Manga News: Check out this week's new manga (10/6/14 - 10/12/14).
Forum News: The nomination phase of the Community Awards 2014 is live! Visit new sections for Nisekoi and Kingdom!
New Reply
Page 22 of 78 FirstFirst ... 12 20 21 22 23 24 32 72 ... LastLast
Results 316 to 330 of 1160

Thread: Ranking of Captains

  1. #316
    Registered User MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted Raizen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Where the Red Fern Grows
    Country
    United States
    Age
    25
    Posts
    6,103
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    ^^ About ur ranking, how do figure that youruichi and urahara are above shunsui, ukitake, and unohana? Especially considering that shunsui and ukitake have been commented by yama that they are the best among those who came before and after them??

    Also, I think people overestimate isshin too much. SO he killed an arrancar with only shikai. SO what?? Shunsui is fighting the strongest espada wiithout even releasing his sword.

    As for hikifune, sure she could be strong, but I still think she is below uki, shunsui, and unohana

  2. #317
    MangaHelper 伝説メンバー / Densetsu / Legendary Member kkck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    wherever cookies can't get to me...(as if such a place existed...)
    Country
    Galactic Empire
    Posts
    18,972
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Raizen View Post
    ^^ About ur ranking, how do figure that youruichi and urahara are above shunsui, ukitake, and unohana? Especially considering that shunsui and ukitake have been commented by yama that they are the best among those who came before and after them??

    Also, I think people overestimate isshin too much. SO he killed an arrancar with only shikai. SO what?? Shunsui is fighting the strongest espada wiithout even releasing his sword.

    As for hikifune, sure she could be strong, but I still think she is below uki, shunsui, and unohana
    Actually ishin fought with an unreleased sword. I do agree in that urahara and yoruichi are not really that high in terms of power level. I see them sort of in between byakuya and kyoraku in terms of power.... I also do not see ishin being that high above the current captains....
    Last edited by kkck; June 04, 2009 at 03:35 PM.

  3. #318
    Registered User MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted Raizen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Where the Red Fern Grows
    Country
    United States
    Age
    25
    Posts
    6,103
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Actually ishin fought with a released sword. I do agree in that urahara and yoruichi are not really that high in terms of power level. I see them sort of in between byakuya and kyoraku in terms of power.... I also do not see ishin being that high above the current captains....
    Isn't that what I said?? Shikai and released sword are the same thing
    And as for urahara and youruichi, I see them being a bit stronger than byakuya and ken, but weaker than the like of shunsui and uki

    AS for isshin, I say he is byakuya's level

  4. #319
    MangaHelper 伝説メンバー / Densetsu / Legendary Member kkck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    wherever cookies can't get to me...(as if such a place existed...)
    Country
    Galactic Empire
    Posts
    18,972
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Raizen View Post
    Isn't that what I said?? Shikai and released sword are the same thing
    And as for urahara and youruichi, I see them being a bit stronger than byakuya and ken, but weaker than the like of shunsui and uki

    AS for isshin, I say he is byakuya's level
    lol, typo, I meant unreleased sword.... I am going to correct that in my post...

  5. #320
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,437
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    I agree with the Urahara, Isshin, and Hikifune arguments above.

    Urahara, while a genius for inventing things, hasn't shown us anything in combat other than that he can hold his own against Ichigo's shikai in his own shikai, as well as Yammi, and that baby arrancar (cna't remember his name right now....). Nothing to show us that he is more powerful than some of the old timers like Uki, Shunsui, and Unohana.

    Isshin, well, consider this, Grand Fisher was NOT EVEN A MENOS, just a rather powerful normal hollow, who took his mask off ON HIS OWN (no hogyoku, meaning weaker than other arrancar we have seen so far), and Isshin is captain level. Captain vs. normal hollow=rape, Captain vs. normal hollow as an arracar=still rape. I mean, normal captains definitely can take on a gillian menos with unreleased sword, I don't see what the huge accomplishment of killing a normal sized arrancar without releasing is.

    Hikifune, so what, she was "promoted" to zero squad. When was it ever implied that zero squad>thirteen court guard squads other than the "promotion". Who knows too, maybe she's just an unranked member or lowly ranked member of the zero squad, it was never stated that she would be like the leader of the zero squad or something super special like that. I don't see why zero squad even needs to be more powerful than the thirteen court guard squads. Think about it in relation to real life. Which is more powerful, the police and military forces combined (thirteen court guard squads), or the secret service for the president (let's assume we're talking about the USA)? I mean sure, the president (King) needs competent protection, but is the protection of the president (King) more important than the protection of the people as a whole? I don't think so. Therefore, I regard Hikifune as being promoted to the zero squad as neither a compliment or a detriment to her possible powers. I mean, we don't even know ANYTHING about her other than that she was a captain, and she was promoted, we don't know how long she was a captain, we don't know how others regarded her as a captain, just that she was a captain, that was promoted, we havn't even seen her face. She's one of those people that you can't judge at all IMO, as we have seen absolutely nothing of her.

  6. Thanks 2 Member(s) thanked this post
  7. #321
    MangaHelper 伝説メンバー / Densetsu / Legendary Member kkck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    wherever cookies can't get to me...(as if such a place existed...)
    Country
    Galactic Empire
    Posts
    18,972
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Grand fisher had his mask removed by iceringer, he did not do it on his own.

  8. #322
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,437
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    My bad, but same point, a manually removed mask vs. a hogyoku removed mask, hogyoku yields more power. Either way, I'm not seeing killing grand fisher arrancar as impressive.

  9. #323
    Registered User 有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity Forever_Melody's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Where there's hockey & poutine...
    Country
    Canada
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    3,866
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    It's only impressive because Isshin did it without releasing and in the blink of an eye. I mean, it's just an effortless kill that's it. Byakuya technically beat the hell out of Ichigo in the same way when they first met >.>

  10. #324
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,437
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Would you expect anything less of a captain vs. a non menos arrancar? I mean, look at it this way, Rukia effortlessly killed a gillian/adjuchas (unknown since in the Grimmjow gaiden they are adjuchas but yet HItsu and Aizen state them to be gillian) with just her first shikai technique (just one attack IIRC), yes, its mask was broken when it was a hollow, preventing further development, but it remains that they were menos grande prior to being arrancar, and that a VC killed it so easily. Grand FIsher is not even a menos grande, just a more powerful than average hollow, then his mask was manually removed, w/o the hogyoku unlike the other arrancar we have seen. I am really not impressed by the fact that Isshin killed him. Would you even expect a captain to release to shikai against a normal hollow? No. I wouldn't even expect them to release to shikai against a non-arrancar gillian. Hell, Ichigo, before he even knew the name of his zanpakutou (meaning, no possibility of Shikai) defeated a gillian, and at that time, his powers were less than that of a VC (weaker than when he fought Ikkaku, and he didn't know his zanpakutou's name). So when I see a captain, meaning once one of the strongest Shinigami in SS, beating a non menos grande arrancar (w/o hogyoku), I'm truly unimpressed.

    That said, I do have reason to believe that Isshin is decently powerful due to the simple fact that Ichigo is powerful and that Urahara regards him with respect. THat's just my opinion and hopes for the future, but I'm not seeing any concrete evidence to back up that Isshin is very powerful.

  11. Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked this post
  12. #325
    Registered User 有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity Forever_Melody's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Where there's hockey & poutine...
    Country
    Canada
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    3,866
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Well I never said anything concerning his power. I just commented that he made an effortless kill(which he did).

    I even paralleled that we've seen a current SS captain(and other characters for that matter) perform effortless kills. Why was Byakuya's "victory" over Ichigo when they first met so "omg"? I didn't see why it was looking back at it. Ichigo wasn't even using "real" shinigami powers at the time. All Byakuya did was shunpo behind him and strike a vital spot. That's it. I'd expect nothing less from a captain attacking a shinigami who doesn't have their own Zanpakuto and who can't release.

    The point is that at that point, we weren't introduced to stronger opponents so Byakuya's victory seemed greater than what it is now. Same reasoning. When Isshin first came along, we hadn't even been introduced to arrancar yet. Remember when that chapter came out, no Espada, not even Fraccion were introduced(other than D-Roy way back when). It only seemed impressive at the time like Byakuya's feat. Looking back at it, it wasn't much at all.

    Really we have very little to base Isshin's strength off of if not that Ichigo's strength is born from Isshin's(as Masaki is still not confirmed anything but a human so far). Urahara hopes it didn't decrease due to him(Urahara), but other than that, Urahara himself does not comment upon Isshin's strength.
    Last edited by Forever_Melody; June 05, 2009 at 03:03 PM.

  13. #326
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,437
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Okay, then you agree with me in saying that defeating a non menos arrancar unreleased and effortless is a tiny feat for one who was a captain in the SS.

    Anyhow, I don't know what Ichigo's strength says about Isshin's. I mean, it gives me the gut feeling that Isshin is pretty strong himself, since Ichigo's actual shinigami powers, not just his powers activated and borrowed from Rukia were passed down from his father. Not real or concrete evidence, but that's just my own hunch.

  14. #327
    Registered User 有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity Forever_Melody's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Where there's hockey & poutine...
    Country
    Canada
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    3,866
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Well I mean there has to be some correlation in genetics. I mean in SS they praise the noble families as strong and give them proper training and they typically achieved some good levels of strength so lineage seems to have a certain if not small impact.

    Also, that sash on the side of Isshin's arm is a captain's haori so at least we know he's among the higher tier of SS shinigamis >.>

  15. #328
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Country
    United States
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,437
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Well, yeah, I know that he was strong enough to be a captain of course, but how strong of a captain was he, I don't know, but like I said, my hunch is that he will be decently strong as Ichigo's pretty strong. Just a prediction by me, but who knows what will happen.

  16. #329
    Registered User MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted Raizen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Where the Red Fern Grows
    Country
    United States
    Age
    25
    Posts
    6,103
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy01741 View Post
    Well, yeah, I know that he was strong enough to be a captain of course, but how strong of a captain was he, I don't know, but like I said, my hunch is that he will be decently strong as Ichigo's pretty strong. Just a prediction by me, but who knows what will happen.
    I see isshin being on byakuya's and ken's level. maybe even urahara's level. But nothing OMFG like most people are saying

  17. #330
    Registered User 英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member Goji's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Country
    Belgium
    Age
    27
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    876
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Ranking of Captains

    Do you guys want me to make an info-thread with the official databook stats of all the gotei 13 captains? The stats are from right before Aizen left SS. Anyone interested?
    Also please warn me if such a thread already exists, but I haven't seen it yet, so I thought it might come in handy. ^^

    [url=http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50362]

  18. Thanks 1 Member(s) thanked this post
New Reply
Page 22 of 78 FirstFirst ... 12 20 21 22 23 24 32 72 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts