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Did you ever think that they're not using Kido because it actually couldn't do shit? When did you see that someone was beaten with Kido? You didn't. It's funny to me that I'm having a debate about Kido being able to actually put down an opponent.
"That Kenpachi has no skill is a fact.
How he wants to enjoy a fight rather than being productive is also a fact.
His lack of long range capabilities is also a fact."
How do these statements help your claims in downplaying him? They don't. As you see, you don't have shit to back up your claims. With the facts that you just said, he's still strong. Strong as hell in fact. You're the one who doesn't understand, that's the whole point. His brute strength was all he had to use to beat his opponents. He's THAT good. Or at least he was, because now he really has to learn something. Is that really hard to understand?
Last edited by Roman; December 14, 2012 at 04:54 PM.
& I gave you examples of how that logic can be flawed. Ichigo had much more reiatsu than Toshiro yet his full might couldn't do shit to Aizen while Toshiro can easily cut him with a simple sword slash.
Another thing is, FGT had perfect control over his reiatsu so you using him as an example didn't make sense.
The problem is that his opponents didn't use Kido, let alone a level 80 one. If he could sustain couple of swords pierced in him, I'm sure he could survive Byakuya's Kido or something similar.
Tousen and Nnoitra weren't some niche opponents. They were pretty strong and he proved stronger. I never said that he could beat anyone. I'm saying that his abilities as a fighter let him beat his opponents with strength only. That's not overrating him, that's a pure fact. It's a pure fact that he's a beast. You can't go around it.
FGT beyond having perfect control over his reiatsu had an amount of reiatsu that Godizen couldn't feel... It's you who doesn't make sense
Last edited by Zehahaha; December 14, 2012 at 05:31 PM.
http://www.mangareader.net/94-46757-...apter-391.html Soifon who used her bankai ability twice already used her shikai & stabbed Aizen, Toshito frozen him, Shunsui stabbed him & Shinji stabbed him. Those four were capable to doing noticable damage to Aizen with no effort whatsoever.
Here comes Ichigo with all his fight http://www.mangareader.net/94-48094-...apter-395.html http://www.mangareader.net/94-48494-...apter-396.html & all he did was http://www.mangareader.net/94-48494-...apter-396.html http://www.mangareader.net/94-48494-...apter-396.html http://www.mangareader.net/94-48494-...apter-396.html
Captains who do use anywhere near Ichigo's reiatsu do far more damage to Aizen than Ichigo's full might (Bankai + Mask & full power GT). That's the example of someone who sucked at controlling his power.
Also you really need to stop attempting to give be grief. You said "When there's a huge difference in reiatsu, things as mastery of skills and stuff doesn't matter, do you get it ? Ichigo FGT's reiatsu was so big, that even Aizen couldn't feel it..." & I said you used a flawed example because FGT Ichigo had perfect reiatsu control.
In HM Ichigo couldn't handle Ulq's cero without the mask yet he took that same cero right to the body without his mask sometime later (Ulq complemented how he got stronger, or rather his control over his power improved). If you can't use your powers you are worthless.
Also, Aizen took Soifon's shikai attack to show her how useless her attacks were. Her supposedly "2-hit sure-kill" ability depends on the target having similar reiatsu. As Aizen said, it is a battle of reiatsu. You can have the most amazing ability in the world (2-hit sure-kill is pretty amazing!) but it's totally ineffective if your target has higher reiatsu than you do.
So the point is, someone with really high reiatsu doesn't need any special abilities or skills at all in order to crush an opponent with complete mastery of their abilities, yet lacks a comparable reiatsu level.
You can see on that page that 'Aizen' has injuries from both Sui Feng and Shunsui's attacks. Then we see here...
That he's completely unscathed. I know Kubo tends to stop drawing wounds midway through battles, but in this case it was deliberate.
They were likely hitting air or something. Not every attack connected with Hinamori otherwise she would have died. That whole fight was insane because you don't know which aspects of the fight Aizen fudged with (lol).
He didn't use KS once, he was using the whole damn time...he even said so.
The point I was making is that he wasn't using it to evade Soifon the first time she attacked him. Otherwise, his whole dialogue about Shinigami battles being battles of reiatsu would make no sense. Instead, he would've said it's a battle of abilities! ...since in that case, it would be Kyoka Suigetsu's ability versus Suzumebachi's ability. The point Aizen made is that Suzumebachi's ability was useless against him, since he had far more reiatsu than Soifon.
And that's also why I would rank Shinji as more powerful than Soifon, because his ability did actually work against Aizen... but Aizen was smart enough to figure it out instantly, so it was still equally useless. But the ability working in the first place would indicate that Shinji has a higher level of reiatsu than Soifon. And since Aizen said Shinigami battles are battles of reiatsu, I would rank the power level of characters according to that. And only afterwards consider skills/abilities, if they have nearly the same reiatsu level.
Shunsui stab was real, Shinji's illusion worked on Aizen for a short time, Soifon's attack went through Aizen & Toshiro stopped Aizen with his ice.
Saying it's an illuion is not true otherwise Aizen wouldn't have THOUGHT "Shit". (oh & he commented on Toshiro in HIS THOUGHT).
The real the damage went away is because of the Hogyoku (Aizen was going through a metamorphosis).
He makes them think what he wants them to think when he wants them to think it (& we clearly saw he didn't make them do such at the time he got stabbed & etc, it was when Toshiro was going to supposely deliver the final blow). It's not hard to understand really.