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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Similarly, Komamura's had very few feats altogether. He's been beaten more than he's won, so people assume he's a weakling. It's funny though, Kenpachi seems to get points for easily slicing through the Time Fullbringer (I forget his name right now...), but Komamura gets none for flipping a several tonne monster over by it's finger.
I have previously stated if Kenpachi and Byakuya were to switch opponents, both would probably lose. So, even Espada didn't really have a concrete ranking, despite being numbered, unlike SS captain.
By the way, the Fullbringer you are talking about is Giriko.
Anyway, this is a manga. The roles are pretty much set to begin with. The more important a character is, the more strength he will most likely possess or at least, we are to get that impression.
Komamura had the misfortune to face Aizen, and a captain level fella who underwent a complete Hollowfication process, forget about the half assed Hollowfications of the Vizards, Tosen was the real deal thanks to the Hogyoku, so no wonder he got defeated that badly, but if it was normal Tosen vs Komamura, it would've ended in Komamura's victory because he have the means to actually destroy Tosen's bankai (huge ass Bankai can definitely destroy that space)
Byakuya would stomp Nnoitra...the dude is a close range character with no speed feats
Kenpachi vs Zommari is a little tricky, Kenpachi has to win early before amor otherwise he likely lose unless he can cancel out the attack/technique by removing his eyepatch, which I doubt.
Reiatsu can't directly kill somebody, but it does have effects on its surroundings. Somebody much weaker might choke.
Bambietta said Komamura's men were on the verge of death. Komamura looked fine then. He is physically strong enough to throw a giant and to cause massive trauma on whatever it hits. But he lost twice against Aizen and against fully Hollowfied Tousen, so that's three loses, so he's weak, right?
1. Yama (or aizen)
3. Gin, Superlong shikai, Superfast Pseudo Bankai, Poison Shard when it hits you. (I hope he's alive somewhere)
4. Unohana, Not really a healer but a very strong fighter (even aizen didn't engage her after effortlessly beating Toshiro)
5. Hirako (amazing Bankai)
7. Byakuya (can be interchanged with Kenpachi)
The rest are good captains... not the best though...
That absurdly long debate a few pages ago could have been solved with this page.
I could have just waited three weeks.
It's safe to say that Ichigo tops every list for obvious reasons.
Nnoitra steel skin isn't as strong as he (you) thinks. Kenpachi is basically an untrained gorilla, any other highly trained captain level opponent could hurt him from the get go. You know what Kenpachi meant when he said he got use to hacking at Nnoitra? He meant that he started to release enough spirit pressure so that he could actually hurt him. What the hell else could it have meant...basically the power he was using initially wasn't enough to damage him.
The same thing happened when Grimmjow meet Ichigo the first time...barring GT he couldn't do shit to Grimmjow (he wasn't releasing enough power to hurt him) yet at the same time this Ichigo was the one that defeated Kenpachi without eyepatch...that went on to defeat Nnoitra. And Kenpachi was not stronger from the last time. And Nnoitra was higher than Grimmjow on the list.
Even if he couldn't hurt with the default bankai technqiue, which I highly doubt. He can compress the blades into swords vastly increasing their cutting power.
Byakuya lost to a Quincy that stole his bankai and used it against him. Firstly...do you remember when Bach told that you have to be basically be equal or greater to steal and effectively use one's bankai against them...therefore it's likely that weak Quincy was in fact on Byakuya's level, Captain level. Also to compound the situtaion, As Nodt had a pretty good special ability.
The fact that one of the Sternritter survived Yama's attack, there exist a possibility that this character isn't dead and Byakuya will indeed get his rematch.
Last edited by cracker; December 12, 2012 at 09:05 AM.
You have to be equal or greater to steal and effectively use one's bankai against them or at all. The Arrancar could probably steal it but not use it, either way it most likely didn't work of Ichigo because he's part Quincy...the same reason the cage didn't hold him. I'd take that as facts until Kubo gives me reason to doubt or think otherwise.
Last edited by cracker; December 12, 2012 at 10:33 AM.
Btw, let's use mangastream's TL, because they're always better.
"Only I can control your immense power" "I TOLD Royd not to attempt anything".
So, Royd was TOLD not to steal it. Also, he could do it. And Juha said only he could control it. Not steal, CONTROL. You know the difference? Whole sentence I quoted is assumption.
I know stealing and control aren't the same thing. Read my post again. I said to steal and USE it effectively, contextually the same thing as CONTROL...Juha Bach implied you'd have to be equal or greater to the person you took if from. As Nodt, wasn't represented as a weak Quincy...losting Yama does not make you weak. Wonderweiss is considered by many to be very powerful...he would likely beat most captains 1 vs 1.
Mangastream gets things wrong too, they are not infallible but yes, they are usually more accurate than Bleach scans on mangareader.
Royd: I'll use your bankai!
[burned to ash]
Yamaji: "Well, that was quick..."