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I'll rephrase then. You can steal but you can't effectively (control) use a stolen bankai unless you are equal or greater than the opponent's level.
The efficiency at which As Nodt used it, hell the fact that he/she could control at all I have to say he/she is definitely captain level not VC.
Referring to a Bankai stealing power-level when we are having this debate isn't very explanatory.
We have only seen two Bankai being used after being stolen; Byakuya's and Sasakibe's Bankai. As Nodt and Driscoll used the respective Bankai, but they didn't use any technique or whatsoever. They used the raw power of the Bankai to make attacks.
If we assume the medallion is linked to its user, there is a chance that the Bankai is contained in that medallion by the user's power.
So, in my opinion, power level of the wielder of the medallion is relevant.
For this reason, I suppose, if Royd tried to steal Captain-Commander's Bankai, it's not that he wouldn't be able to utilize it as a weapon, but rather he would be unable to contain it by his own power and medallion would most likely break apart, freeing the materialized Bankai spirit once again.
Though this theory is not very related to the other respective Bankai, as they are not bringing anything that much off the charts.
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Byakuya said those words when it was 2-on-1 already, if I'm not wrong. Can Renji without Bankai possibly counter a captain and a strong vice captain in Shikai?
I don't think so.
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Anyway, we have strayed too much from the topic here.
There are respective threads for SR, Espada power levels, working principle of the Bankai medallion and et cetera.
No need to discuss these topics under this thread, I suppose.
Kenpachi has never been that strong. Shunsui said that they needed him to improve because at the moment he's just vice captain material with powerful reiatsu, yet he just flails until something happens. And Ichigo and Byakuya are somewhere else, Yamamoto is dead, and so on, they need to gather all the battle power they can and Kenpachi is just taking a spot and not using it.
He might get a power up and it might make him as strong as strong and useful as Byakuya, but he's not going to do anything as ridiculous as what he did in that fanfic released earlier this year. The truth is that he has always had luck with the match ups so he's still alive, but as he's now he doesn't stand a chance against equally plot-armored enemies.
The second one just stood there talking a lot.
The third one transformed into a clone, and Kenpachi always starts out weak and gets more serious as time goes on.
Kenpachi clearly didn't need to use Bankai because those weren't real battles. I said that until his fight against Royd he was being lucky. Don't bring results into this because the only reason Kenpachi killed 3 Stern Ritters was because he was about to be brutally beaten into near death next chapter and he couldn't go without at least giving something to the fans.
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Its like saying dangai Ichigo defeated Aizen because fans wanted it.
Even Hasch Wald, who was shown capable of cutting Ichigo's bankai blade, was shock on how powerful Zaraki was.
@Torran...so you basically mean that Kenpachi is not Captain level considering his skills? Basic 4 skills, right?
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Now can you logically expect the same result if As Nodt faced Zaraki Kenpachi mano-y-mano?
Ichigo defeated Aizen because he became strong enough to do so. Zaraki killed 3 SR because he was strong enough to do so. He also defeated Cinco Espada because he was strong enough to do so.Quote:
Then you need to read the chapter again.Quote:
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Can he? I thought one medallion was only capable of stealing only one Bankai.
So, Kyouraku, Ukitake, Unohana, whoever is there to fight can go Bankai against Bach, unless his medallion is capable of stealing more than one Bankai, which isn't stated so far.
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All the villains go on and on about their powers while the protagonists do their best to fight, which is the reason why good guys come out on top all the time.
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