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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
He MADE it his zanpakutou. Just like Zaraki MADE his sword his zanpakutou.
OMFG your not looking at the picture below your just saying what you want to say without looking at http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/148/09/
he picks up the sword from the flowers and is using that through out the series if you don't believe me look really closely at the sword on the bed of flowers before especially at the hilt with the ring through it and when he picks it up
Last edited by JioFreed666; October 28, 2007 at 12:03 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Because when Ichigo inherited Rukias Sword, he wasnt using his own sword , it was rukias and he had the ability to bring forth his own sword from his own shinigami powers.
Well the sword choses its owner and appears to them when the time is right, its quite possible that that sword chose tousen to be its new user or that tousens power is now fused with that sword. Simple way of explaining it i guess.
well but after the owner of the zanpakutou die. Who is the swordsman ? no one so maybe the soul inside in the zanpakutou is gone or can be take be anyone
Nuff said, Tousen probably has his own Zanpaktou that hasnt been shown to us (unless u are convinced that the wooden katana he used in training is his original zanpaktou)Originally Posted by WIKIPEDIA
I tried to answer the question we've been pondering in another thread on the nature of zanpakutos themselves, rather than just this specific case.
While my case is more exstensively made within the other thread, in summary it is this. Within the normal realm of progression from academy student to shinigami, the individual is given a bare, soulless sword. Over time, with training and power, the shinigami is able to make that bare soulless sword an extension of themselves, which is personified by the avatar that represents their shinigami powers within themselves. This also extends out to the unique shape their sealed zanpakuto takes after such an event occurs. Note that all standard shinigami have the same normal, bare katanas.
In this context, I would submit that tousen took up his dead shinigami friend's sword, which was already changed from the bare form, but no longer had a soul connected to it, and his soul adapted it or took on personification based upon the change that had already been made. If we look at the simple fact that tousen's shikai and bankai play solely to his strengths, that alone should prove that it is his shinigami powers, and there is no other sword. Tousen's sword is no longer his dead friend's, but his own, and as his powers have developed, so to has the sword developed in line with his shinigami powers.
Ichigo thus is wielding his own Zanpaktou from the start, Tousen has his own Zanpaktou but picked up on his friend's somewhere in the story, Kenpachi has his own Zanpaktou and is using it unless he actually picked up one and wasnt shown to us.
We'd nv know if Tousen can actually cant release if not for the new Zanpaktou, since we havent been shown anything much about it.
Vegetoacs pretty much summed up everything into a short explanation. Tousen DOES NOT have another zanpakutou, that would just be stupid.
I too don't see the problem with the sword that Tousen took from the dead woman he admired, having become his own zanpakutou. Since we know that the spirit inhabiting the zanpakutou is part of the soul of the Shinigami, thus when the shinigami dies, the spirit of the zanpakutou is gone as well. Thus the zanpakutou was an empty husk just like the womans dead body.
I don't think it's too far fetched that the spirit of Tousen's zanpakutou would simply reside in that empty husk, keeping it's form subconciously in honor of the woman Tousen loved and admired. Even the shikai and bankai of that sword fit Tousen and his abilities very well so I don't see a point behind the theory of him having another zanpakutou.
I think several people already summed up pretty well why that sword could be Tousen's one and only zanpaktou, so I'll leave it at that.
But even through Tousen can take a zanpaktou that previously belonged to someone else (which probably is not a trait unique to him, but if we assume that it is) then why would he even have or need another Zanpaktou? Why wouldn't he be satified with that one?
To catch anyone up:
We had a discussion if by taking the dead women's sword is it now Tousen's own personal zanpakuto I believe tousen has his own Zanpakuto while people say since the woman died her soul is gone. As to answer Alexis question, because his Zanpakuto might being one only meant to kill and he wants to take the path of less blood shed
This might become the focus for a future chapter in this new gaiden arc is one reason I bring this up again.
Also I want to start talking about the other subject of this thread. Ichigo really needs a step up or something again in power especially if he's going after the top 4 Espada one who owned him twice and Aizen and his trusted Shinigami Gin and Tousen and even Wonderweiss.
The reason I say it's not his own Zanpakuto:
because the women's soul is still there even if it's been reincarnated it's still there
Last edited by JioFreed666; May 02, 2008 at 02:21 AM. Reason: Zanpakuto
Yes, that is his zanpakuto. She died, reincarnated as a new powerless soul, and Tousen took her sword. He doesn't have a second one, unless he's been hiding it in a private place all this time.