hougykou arrancar vs natural arrancar

[JioFreed666]

I noticed that long before Aizen came to SS with the Hougykou we saw D-roy/boy in a semi-natural way without the Hougykou became an arrancar right after the Ichigo VS Grand Fisher. That got me wondering what is the true difference between Arracar that became that way without using the Hougykou and those who did. D-roy is a good example but that the same time a bad one because he had already reached his limit of power(the Conversation with grimmjaw) as a normal Hollow and we are not 100% sure how other older arrancar became that way(the Ex-espada, Nel even Grimmjaw himself) and d-roy is the only Arracar there's physical proof he did infact change before Aizen's reign and became one without the Hougykou

[Neuroff]

All the Privaron Espada are pre-Hougyoku.
Aaroniero is pre-Hougyoku.
Nel/Nnoitra flashback shows that Nel, Nnoitra, and Szayel are pre-Hougyoku.

Supposedly, the Hougyoku gives a larger power boost than the older method of creating arrancar.

[JioFreed666]

the events of Nel's & Nnoitra's incident could have happened during early the month ichigo was training to control his Mask it never gives an actual time just that he thought Nel was dead for a while and after two weeks I would have thought some one was dead. theres is no defined proof of anything but the Privaron Espada are pre-hougyoku because Szayel might be only physically older but not an older Arrancar then his brother like you just said it gives them a larger boost of power(showing why a scientist would be an Espada and not his muscle headed brother). Aaroniero is very sketchy within himself because Grand fisher was able to change part of his body into a soul he had perviously eatten before he was an Arrancar why couldn't Aaroniero do that to his body? before becoming an Arrancar? and if Grimmjaw had his memories from before he was an Arrancar why not Aaroniero by use of Hougykou? see this makes only one fact for sure D-roy and the Privaron Espada were non-hougykou and only them so far unless it is shown more are non-hougykou

[Neuroff]

the events of Nel's & Nnoitra's incident could have happened during early the month ichigo was training to control his Mask it never gives an actual time just that he thought Nel was dead for a while and after two weeks I would have thought some one was dead. theres is no defined proof of anything but the Privaron Espada are pre-hougyoku because Szayel might be only physically older but not an older Arrancar then his brother like you just said it gives them a larger boost of power(showing why a scientist would be an Espada and not his muscle headed brother).

Nnoitra asks Nel about how many YEARS she has been gone for. Aizen has been Hueco Mundo for a few months.

Aaroniero is very sketchy within himself because Grand fisher was able to change part of his body into a soul he had perviously eatten before he was an Arrancar why couldn't Aaroniero do that to his body? before becoming an Arrancar? and if Grimmjaw had his memories from before he was an Arrancar why not Aaroniero by use of Hougykou? see this makes only one fact for sure D-roy and the Privaron Espada were non-hougykou and only them so far unless it is shown more are non-hougykou

Grand Fisher's special ability was to be able to change the form of his lure. No other hollow can do that. Aaroniero was an original Espada, so of course he was before the Hougyoku.

[JioFreed666]

Alright then Nel and Nnori are natural arrancar(but still high ranking arracar for naturals)

Aaroniero is an original character yes but what says he didn't have that ability to change his body back when he was a normal hollow LIKE grand fisher dose has the ability to change his lure when GF was a normal Hollow it possible to have very similar abilities like that what ever it takes to get souls. anyway there was no way of telling Aaroniero became an Arrancar he could have eaten the Kaien hollow(what ever it was that made it's way with Kaien's spirit to HM) back before he became one and still had the memories much like grand fisher and Grimmjaw dose from before they became Arrancar. Which we know one offically became one through natural means and the other we believe(we never saw the process done to grimmjaw but it's popular belief) Hougykou so there's NO PROOF that Aaroniero is either or and assuming is always a bad thing unless he or Aizen, or another old Arrancar said he was created by Hougykou. So assuming he was a natural is not good neither is assuming he's a Hougykou you can believe but by saying "he is for sure" may mislead other people to say "He is for sure" and if they find out other wise the only one who looks bad is the original person they can pin it on

[Neuroff]

The point is that he's an original Espada, which means he became an arrancar either with Nel, Nnoitra, and Szayel, or even before them.

[segua]

Also, wouldn't you say that those Privarons are more complete as a hollow than the Hyoukou arrancars? Such as they were able to climb and reach a point that few others could ever hope to attained?

[JioFreed666]

When is Aaroniero said to be an Original? he might have claimed it and yes Hougykou Arrancar's appear to be more powerful in the long run but at the same time at this moment we believe Natural Arrancar take up over half of the spots of the current(including dead) Espada(nel probably would have kept her spot or been higher if not for Nnori's betrayl) the only reason I question Aaroniero being Natural is because he has the 10th place which is still the bottom of the chain and easy to get remember if something happened to Aaroniero before the Numeros left, Long would have taken his pace

and this really leads to the question who were the original Espada working for? if Nel had a Number but that was years before Aizen's plan went into full motion....So why where they numbered in the first place?......who where the original Espada working for? and why is that person not around or has Aizen been playing everybody for a longer time then we all believe

[Neuroff]

Zommari says he's the last original espada in chapter 297. And the espada didn't have to be working for anyone. They could have just been following orders from the primero espada before Aizen came along.

[JioFreed666]

but really that espada had a detailed system of Espada like we see now with assassin squads(like Soul society) Nermous(Like vice captains) and a beautiful palace like Aizen has now(In the Nel flash back they had at least ruins of something like they have now)? they had to be working for some one they really had to be working for some one that liked(or couldn't fight against) the order they where in didn't question it just like now for something like the position Nel was in before she went "missing".

[lilkwarrior]

Though this sounds funny, but anybody watched Afro Sumari? Number One vs. Number 2 for hundreds of years? The Espada were probably like that before Aizen came along, killing and eating each other to be Number One. Looking at the nature of the Adjuchas, and worst, the Vasto Lorde, "it was a killed or be killed" life in Hueco Mundo with no rules; Some Espada could be jumped by a group of adjuchas or lesser hollows, some Espada could be attacked by other Espada (like Nel), anything goes. Heck, for all we know, the Espada would be slitting each other throats right now if Aizen didn't more organize things. With the Crumbling treasure, Aizen could stablize Vastorlorde and Gillians so they don't have to continually eat other hollow/humans. Adding Aizen is a VERY powerful being who wants to be a ruler (and needs a army), the hollow likewise obeyed him.

[MegaX]

but really that espada had a detailed system of Espada like we see now with assassin squads(like Soul society) Nermous(Like vice captains) and a beautiful palace like Aizen has now(In the Nel flash back they had at least ruins of something like they have now)? they had to be working for some one they really had to be working for some one that liked(or couldn't fight against) the order they where in didn't question it just like now for something like the position Nel was in before she went "missing".

You know, I really don't think they were working for someone at all. I think that they just formed those ranks and hierarchies to assist in their self-preservation as a race.

[AngryChubbs]

well all intelligent creatures create ranks and have leaders but thats it...i doubt they were working fr anyone. like now, they arent working for aizen...they just think that aizen will get them the farthest in life.

[poopoomaru]

I dont know why everyone rules out the possibility of Aizen existing in Hueco Muendo before he defected from Soul Society, the man controls illusions, and was already in deep enough with the Hollow world to be able to have a mass of gillian save him and his subordinates. It is likely he has been with them for many many years. Captains answer only to the Commander General and Central 46. The latter not really doing much as far as we know considering everything we saw from them was actually Aizen's doing. The former being just one man who can be fooled just as easily as anyone else.

[Neuroff]

I dont know why everyone rules out the possibility of Aizen existing in Hueco Muendo before he defected from Soul Society, the man controls illusions, and was already in deep enough with the Hollow world to be able to have a mass of gillian save him and his subordinates. It is likely he has been with them for many many years. Captains answer only to the Commander General and Central 46. The latter not really doing much as far as we know considering everything we saw from them was actually Aizen's doing. The former being just one man who can be fooled just as easily as anyone else.

Even IF Aizen were in Hueco Mundo before he defected, he did not have the Hougyoku. It's completely irrelevant to this topic.