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I was re-reading chapter 280 with hard rock music ( ) and I suddenly realized something I'm surprised I didn't before.
It's at page seven:
In the bottom panel Grimmjaw says:
Uhm Grimmjaw says that the war between shinigami and hollows has been going on for a thousand years.Originally Posted by Grimmjaw
How were shinigami-hollow relations before the "thousand years"?
I don't know anything about japanese so maybe the translator translated like that to give us the idea that it has been an eternity since the conflict between the shinigami and hollows started. But wouldn't it be better if the text was "it has been like that for an eternity" or "it has been like that since the begin of time"? I have the suspect that the translator made a literal translation from the japanese and this would mean that the conflict between hollows and shinigami has been going for a thousand years for real and before then there was no conflict. As the answer changes totally depending on the real translation of the bottom panel I put the page seven raw of chapter 280 for convenience:
If the translation is that the conflict between shinigami and hollows has been going on for a thousand years for real then lots of questions arise:
1) how was the world before the conflict started?
2) why did the conflict start?
3) Were there shinigami and hollows around already? Were they able to live together?
4) Or did they (shinigami and hollows) descend from a common ancestor?
What do you think of all this?
PS Can some translators translate the raw page, just to be sure what's the right meaning? Thanks.
Keep in mind that Yamamoto-Genryūsai says that he founded the Shinigami academy a thousand years ago. Perhaps this would mean that Shinigami either did not exist, or did not exist as an official organization until that time.
^But Renji graduated from the 2066th (iirc) year of the academy.
And Genryuusai is over 2000 years old.
But maybe Grimmjow was mistaken.
Nice find, drakend
As far as my Japanese language studies go, it does seem like it's a literal translation. Sennen=thousand years, but frankly we'd have to find more qualified translators. It would make sense that 1000 years ago there MIGHT be some big thing that motivated Genryuusai to finally say..."Kill the hollows" and all
I think it might be a mistranslation, maybe its actually "for thousands of years" and no "for a thousand years" i would guess that there is a small difference or no difference in the translations of the phases into jap, but i don't know jap so i can't say for sure....
1000 years is just there to say "a long time", unless GJ accuratly knows the exact date and it just so happened to be exactly 1000. The more accurate number would be the ~2066 years or however long the academy has existed for.
The meaning of it, could be that before that time powerful good spirits from heaven fought the evil spirits on earth.
Then at some point the good spirits organised themselves into the shinigami academy. Soul Society with all it's noble houses seems like it existed before the academy: so maybe before that the noble houses where responsible for fighting hollows.
And now Aizen has organised the hollows in the same way...
This means that at least three of the SS captins are 2000 years old!
EDIT: And I think that 1000 Years can be generic, it's a good round number. It's as generic you can get while giving a rough idea of the timescale involved.
Last edited by chrisb3; January 01, 2008 at 10:04 PM.
So I don't think the translator wrote 1000 years just to give us the idea of a very long period of time... but I could be wrong of course. And anyway an exact translation of the bottom panel is essential... because if the war between shinigami and hollows started only at a certain point of time and for certain reasons then this would mean things were different before.
Last edited by drakend; January 02, 2008 at 10:32 AM.
Good find!!!Dont know jap so cant comment but if anyone can translate the raw please do, very important find
One question I have about that....
IIRC (and I may be mistaken), didn't Genryuusei say that he founded some kind of Graduate Academy for Captains, in which Ukitake and Shunsei both graduated first from?
Or was it actually the standard Academy he was talking about?