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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Trying to put it simply... I would say a genius is a shinobi who excells far beyond that of a normal member of the village forces in all manner of respects, but sometimes it can be a clan trait (Uchiha have a disposition to "genius" shinobi for example) but now and then you have one which kinda breaks the genius mould, like Lee who is a genius of hard work - which kinda goes against the genius grain because most genius characters tend to find things, or certain things elementary.

    Naruto is also a genius in his own way, many people will argue, but he is a genius of persistance, for the sake of those he loves (they do kinda save his ass alot, he's running out of people lol) *edit* and also a genius to do a personality transplant on a being made of hatred... to well, a being which shouldnt be handing out chakra for scooby snacks.. seriously tho, like how it panned out with the 9 tails or not, he did fully combine with Kurama etc which also shows his metal (even tho it was a bit rushed lol)
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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Minato and Naruto fight, both in base mode. Bam, Minato hits Naruto with rasengan out of nowhere. Naruto gets healed by Kyuubi. They fight again. Naruto uses kage bunshin and creates a rasengan, but misses because Minato saw it coming. Naruto goes Kyuubi chakra mode, but Minato gets the time to tag him. Bam, Minato can always appear behind Naruto for surprise buttsecks now.

    So? They're the same shit. It's 4 rasengan or 594859 or whatnot, with him using the chakra arm to pull people in or to make the arms longer so someone gets hit. It doesn't make him a genius.
    How does it have to do with the fact that Naruto can use more Rasengans?

    Like no, mantaining a normal Rasengan takes a lot of effort, creating a giant one, a wind one, a throwable wind one and a great one with other three mini ones floating around it doesn't make it "the same thing"

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    VotE was when he was in Kyuubi mode.

    not sure with Asura, but if that's the case then why'd he need to use bunshins later on? Like, not a chapter or two after the blitz?
    Because Kage Bushins are useful, and he has enough chakra and stamina to spam the hell out of them in Base.
    With a KB he can make a switch, upgrade to Oodama, distract the enemy, use a smoke bomb and a ton of other options, and we saw that the speed release is the same, Naruto was never slower than his opponent when doing a 2 person Rasengan

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    Naruto isn't smart. Not like that anyway. He barely understood any explanation for anything.
    Sasuke also excels in shape manipulation. Look at the chidori variants. Sasuke excels in both department. Naruto at best excels in shape manipulation.
    Not sure if Sasuke can suppress Kyuubi's chakra, considering Naruto wasn't even tryin to use it. And it's more like Naruto's UZUMAKI chakra. Kushina and Mito handled the full power of the Kyuubi while Naruto handles half of its power.
    Naruto in strength? What?
    Then he tricking Sasuke, Gaara, Kakuzu, Kiba, Neji, Zabuza, Pein and whoever else was tricked by him, means that they are even dumber?
    It also shows that one doesn't look at Naruto's character, try being all knowledgeable and stuff growing up with no parents, the village hating you and a desperate need for attention that made you concentrate on receiving aknowledgement more than study Not that he's the most intelligent person to begin with

    Chidori variants are Nature manipulations, Orochimaru said as much.
    And if he sucked at it, why then he created an S rank and an above S rank Fuutons?

    Both have the means to do it thanks to their heritage, that was my point

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    People like Naruto and Rock Lee are usually much more durable since they have to work harder.

    Genius? intellect? Talent? Smarts? Ability to pick up things quickly? Wisdom? Alcohol?
    Talent and unique abilities, Itachi was unique, no way around it.
    I'm sure he could reach Madara's strenght, should've been without his illness

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    There is no objective definition of cool, though. You could think a guy who shows his privates in public is cool, while I'd be repulsed by it. Everything is subjective.

    How so? Orochimaru was a genius with experience and near immortality. He still managed to praise Sasuke while Gaara was barely affected.
    Let's call it manga-cool
    Lol its the inverse, Orochimaru was barely affected ( it only burned his mask ) while Gaara was forced to stop moving.
    Destroy the Naruto bias glasses

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    How does it have to do with the fact that Naruto can use more Rasengans?

    Like no, mantaining a normal Rasengan takes a lot of effort, creating a giant one, a wind one, a throwable wind one and a great one with other three mini ones floating around it doesn't make it "the same thing"
    Because using more rasengan is unimportant if Naruto can't access a way to use 'em all. In this case, if he can't use Sage Mode or get Kyuubi's chakra, then he can't use anythin but rasengan and double-edged FRS.

    Like, so? Naruto can't do it on his own, Minato can.



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    Because Kage Bushins are useful, and he has enough chakra and stamina to spam the hell out of them in Base.
    With a KB he can make a switch, upgrade to Oodama, distract the enemy, use a smoke bomb and a ton of other options, and we saw that the speed release is the same, Naruto was never slower than his opponent when doing a 2 person Rasengan
    But he's slower using kage bunshin to make rasengan when he can be faster and more unpredictable doing it on his own.



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    Then he tricking Sasuke, Gaara, Kakuzu, Kiba, Neji, Zabuza, Pein and whoever else was tricked by him, means that they are even dumber?
    It also shows that one doesn't look at Naruto's character, try being all knowledgeable and stuff growing up with no parents, the village hating you and a desperate need for attention that made you concentrate on receiving aknowledgement more than study Not that he's the most intelligent person to begin with
    Naruto is clever/tricky, but he is not a genius.

    He isn't, but Naruto has good potential to be smart, from what we've seen.

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    Chidori variants are Nature manipulations, Orochimaru said as much.
    And if he sucked at it, why then he created an S rank and an above S rank Fuutons?

    Both have the means to do it thanks to their heritage, that was my point
    And shape manipulation as well, considering Sasuke manipulates the shape of it.

    Help and clones.



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    Talent and unique abilities, Itachi was unique, no way around it.
    I'm sure he could reach Madara's strenght, should've been without his illness
    And we saw he worked hard, although I doubt he could have gotten to Madara's strength, based on his chakra.


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    Let's call it manga-cool
    Lol its the inverse, Orochimaru was barely affected ( it only burned his mask ) while Gaara was forced to stop moving.
    Destroy the Naruto bias glasses
    Yet Sasuke was praised.

    There's no bias here, ma'am.

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    the one single moment of pure genius in naruto is kabuto adjusting to tsunda nerve attack as fast as he did, that shit was aizen like, as far as who has shown genius in battle well that has to be naruto hands down all his fight end with some unexpected genius move that none of his enemies see coming

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by sylvesterrahim View Post
    the one single moment of pure genius in naruto is kabuto adjusting to tsunda nerve attack as fast as he did
    I still have to see something more impressive than that. I can't help but kinda hate Kishi for the way he just squandered all that potential and made Kabuto into an advanced Orochimaru.

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by Razh View Post
    I still have to see something more impressive than that. I can't help but kinda hate Kishi for the way he just squandered all that potential and made Kabuto into an advanced Orochimaru.
    Well, while kabuto was at his strongest he was perhaps easily one of the top 5 shinobi out there. A weird snake like body which got even more snakelike from HM along with who knows how many KG made him essentially immortal. Even sasuke and an undead itachi with infinite stamina were at a disadvantage against him which is pretty much insane. He was even taken out by a random sharingan technique which worked and was applied via obscure mechanisms never revealed....

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    Well, while kabuto was at his strongest he was perhaps easily one of the top 5 shinobi out there. A weird snake like body which got even more snakelike from HM along with who knows how many KG made him essentially immortal. Even sasuke and an undead itachi with infinite stamina were at a disadvantage against him which is pretty much insane. He was even taken out by a random sharingan technique which worked and was applied via obscure mechanisms never revealed....
    They were only at a disadvantage because they couldn't kill him.
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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    No it isn't, being born with natural anything does not denote a genius. If it did, Naruto would have been a genius because of his inhuman chakra supply, same goes for the Inuzuka's with their dog like noses. And Obito, despite being an Uchiha, is no genius.
    what i am referring to is how both sasuke and neji were considered geniuses basically because of their clan and innate, abilities

    not saying they didnt work hard to train i am just saying they had an edge over the more ordinary shinobi at the time

    naruto was certainly a genius even if not thought so by his peers

    he mastered the rasengan at a very early age even if he was using shadow clones to help, actually the fact that he developed his own method for the technique makes him more of a genius in my opinion

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Naruto is a unique,out side the box' thinker,and sometimes a smart,and creative fighter, but that does not make him a genius.

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    I'm gonna drop in my state of mind. Naruto is a type of Genius. Not a one like Sasuke or Neji whose reputations go since when they were born which automatically gave them boost in confidence, self-awareness and ambition to become even greater. Once Naruto got that from other villagers... well, you see it on your own.

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    Problem here is naruto was never said to be a genius,and to say he's a different type just to give him that tittle is ridiculous. All the genius have one unique thing in common that naruto does not. That's the ability to learn quick and early in life... Naruto didn't.

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Problem here is naruto was never said to be a genius,and to say he's a different type just to give him that tittle is ridiculous. All the genius have one unique thing in common that naruto does not. That's the ability to learn quick and early in life... Naruto didn't.
    It's like you didn't even read my post. But yeah, it's always like that with someone like you. Once he was acknowledged, he learned things pretty fast and caught up to Sasuke to the point in which Sasuke felt inferior. Even after that, he became a beast in every area up until now. Fact. And that's the thing. It wouldn't be interesting if he was proclaimed in manga a Genius.

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Yeah.... Whatever. Naruto is not a genius just cause you want him to be. No matter what he achieve and accomplish.

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Yeah.... Whatever. Naruto is not a genius just cause you want him to be. No matter what he achieve and accomplish.
    It's not that I want him to be, his feats prove that. Your precious Sasuke ran like a little bitch to Orochimaru to give him power so he could face Naruto who caught up to him in such a short amount of time. That's only an example. But of course, someone like you is blind to the facts that Naruto is awesome, as he should be. He's the main character for common sense's sake.

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    Re: The concept of "Genius" in NARUTO

    I haven't said a word about Sasuke lol, but if that makes you feel better to belittle him go right ahead. FYI gaining power fast does not make you a genius lol.

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