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    Lord Raglan's Hero Pattern

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    Raglan's best-known work, The Hero, A Study in Tradition, Myth and Drama, was published in 1936. The book's central thesis is that hero figures of mythology had their origin in ritual drama, not historical fact. In the book's most influential chapter, he outlined 22 common traits of god-heroes. They are:
    1. The hero's mother is a royal virgin;
    2. His father is a king, and
    3. Often a near relative of his mother, but
    4. The circumstances of his conception are unusual, and
    5. He is also reputed to be the son of a god.
    6. At birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or his maternal grandfather, to kill him, but
    7. He is spirited away, and
    8. Reared by foster parents in a far country.
    9. We are told nothing of his childhood, but
    10. On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future kingdom.
    11. After a victory over the king, and/or a giant, dragon, or wild beast,
    12. He marries a princess, often the daughter of his predecessor, and
    13. Becomes king.
    14. For a time he reigns uneventfully, and
    15. Prescribes laws, but
    16. Later loses favor with the gods and/or his subjects, and
    17. Is driven from the throne and city, after which
    18. He meets a mysterious death,
    19. Often at the top of a hill.
    20. His children, if any, do not succeed him.
    21. His body is not buried, but nevertheless
    22. He has one or more holy sepulchers.

    In regards of Luffy characters, we can't answer most of the points yet.

    Many of the aspects cannot be analysed simply because the history did not reach that part yet. Thus I am only going to analyze up to the 12th aspect.

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    Also you can easily make that analysis with Ace and Gol D. Roger:

    Up to the 9th aspect (before manhood), Ace matches everything perfectly except for the virginity of his mother and that we are told some details of his childhood.

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    From the 13th aspect and on (after becoming king) everything is just like what we know about Gol D. Roger except for the gods and sepulchers part which we don't know anything about it (yet?).

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    Re: Lord Raglan's Hero Pattern

    Great analysis. Although almost every story follows the same path. There was somewhere a list of the 33-36 steps in an heroic story, I can't remember the author now.
    The Sky is pouring
    The wind is blowing
    The sea looks red,
    a surging sea of flames
    looks like the entrance to hell
    'Perfect', the captain said.

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    Re: Lord Raglan's Hero Pattern

    Only thing similar I can think of is The Hero With a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell. There are some great videos of him speaking about mythology and the hero available on Youtube.

    Of all myths, I always thought One Piece seemed the most like the Argonautika. Instead of Jason there is Luffy, instead of the Golden Fleece there is the One Piece, instead of the Argonauts the Strawhats, and instead of the Mediterranean and Black Sea there is the Grand Line. The Mediterranean of the Argonauts was as strange a place as the Grand Line, and as shrouded in magic and danger. Just as the One Piece was left in Raftel at the end of the Grand Line, the Golden Fleece was at the furthest end of the Mediterranean. Jason had to lead the Argonauts to Colchis, in modern day Georgia, the eastern most point of the Mediterranean basin. Rather than have to cross the Red Line to travel from the Grand Line to New World, the Argonauts had to cross the narrow Hellespoint to cross from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea.
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    Re: Lord Raglan's Hero Pattern

    About the OP comparison... I think if you take some "D. theories" into credit that imply that the D. were descendants of the Ancient Kingdom which was destroyed by the World Government in the Lost History the first ten points make a bit more sense while picking Ace as example, don't they?

    The hero's mother is a royal virgin
    Portgas D. Rouge, possibly of royal descent

    His father is a king, and
    Gol D. Roger, possibly of royal descent, too - called being the King of Pirates.

    Often a near relative of his mother, but
    Portgas D. Rouge and Gol D. Roger - since Oda established a myth around "the D." it's close enough to me.

    The circumstances of his conception are unusual, and
    Maybe not the conception since Oda keeps all the original porn for himself as he said many times. But the story about his birth is unusual for sure.

    He is also reputed to be the son of a god.
    "Son of a God"... It's a stretch but, first he was "only" the son of Roger and then the son of Whitebeard - the man who fought Roger to a draw, and had the power to "destroy the world" (which sounds pretty god-like).

    At birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or his maternal grandfather, to kill him, but
    He is spirited away, and
    Reared by foster parents in a far country.

    The marines were searching for any new born child in the World. Garp took him from the West into the East Blue and left him with Dadan.

    We are told nothing of his childhood, but
    We first learn first bits about his past when the Marineford War Arc begins and Sengoku reveals that Ace is the son of Roger.

    On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future kingdom.
    At the age of 17, Ace sets sail, leaves home and becomes quickly a strong pirat eon the Grand Line. Strong enough to fight Jinbe to a draw.

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