Will Itachi get EMS if he kills sasuke?

[matsyes]

Ok this is highly speculative. There are a lot of topics discussing how one gets MS and how kakashi gets his. What I am saying here is in some ways similar to what is written there.
Now we know that the sharingan is activated when the individual experiences extreme emotion. For example sasuke got his sharingan when they fought Haku for their lives and obito when he wanted to save kakashi. Also sasuke got his last tomoe when he fought naruto at the valley of the end where it can be fairly stated that sasuke was quite troubled.
Now consider the even greater trauma of killing your best friend the turbulent emotions involved and that emotion one could say could be the cause of MS. The further trauma inspired by killing a brother could cause EMS. That in short is my interpretation of what causes the sharingan to change the emotional upheaval and not the physical action, I believe causes the eye to transform.
Now consider itachi, we assume that initially he grew up as a normal boy (as normal as any twisted psychopath). A boy though devious yet capable of making friends and in fact did make a best friend in the form of his cousin.
Later when he came to know about how to receive MS, he killed his friend and because he had a genuine "bond" with him he received MS. However in the case of sasuke, he always treated him as a pig being fattened for food. He did not genuinely care and did not have a real "bond" all he cared was for sasuke's eye and not the person. So perhaps if he even manages to kill sasuke and take his eye he will not achieve MS . Note that when madara took his brother's eye he was genuinely sorry to have done that but he was just desperate and crazed.
However the counterpoint that can be taken is that, it is the brother who's eyes are taken experiences great emotion and hatred to his brother and that is what causes the MS to become permanent. And if there is one thing that we know, it is that sasuke no longer "lacks hatred" so maybe itachi could receive EMS.
What do you think?

[Razh]

If Itachi takes Sasuke's eyes, he won't become blind eventually. That's what it says in the manga. Unless I can't read, or the translation was crap...

What's this all about?

[Decorus]

In order to aquire EMS you need to take your brother's eyes which restores your vision and removes the blindness problem from MS. How ever even if you do take your brother's eyes or kill your best friend there is no guarantee that you will get MS or even EMS. A lot of Uchiha died trying to replicate Madara's feat and I'm guessing that the 1st Hokage put an end to the attempts to aquire these eyes.

[matsyes]

If Itachi takes Sasuke's eyes, he won't become blind eventually. That's what it says in the manga. Unless I can't read, or the translation was crap...

What's this all about?

As I have stated above this is a theory I'm floating on whether killing his brother will get EMS or not. Though it said in the manga in the fight against zabuza by kakashi hat the sharingan allows him to see the future it was clearly not true. There are several more instances where a character claims something in the manga which is not completely true but true from the character's point or maybe the character is trying to decieve others. Also kakashi got MS and it has never been stated how he did it ... But I can quite positively say it wasn't by killing his best friend or anyone as close to him. That would be completely against his character and we would have heard about a mysterious death.

In order to aquire EMS you need to take your brother's eyes which restores your vision and removes the blindness problem from MS. How ever even if you do take your brother's eyes or kill your best friend there is no guarantee that you will get MS or even EMS. A lot of Uchiha died trying to replicate Madara's feat and I'm guessing that the 1st Hokage put an end to the attempts to aquire these eyes.

Is this written in the manga somewhere? I would really like to read it could you tell me the chapter and page number.

[Umbra Wolf]

But doesn't the "brother" need also MS to do the trick? Doesn't need both of them MS in the first place or did I get something wrong?

Is this written in the manga somewhere? I would really like to read it could you tell me the chapter and page number.

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[matsyes]

But doesn't the "brother" need also MS to do the trick? Doesn't need both of them MS in the first place or did I get something wrong?



Look here

I see I forgot that ...so it does give even more credibility to my speculation that itachi might not gain EMS if he does manage to get sasuke's eyes.

[kazuma_uzumaki]

So does this make Itachi and Madara like expert eye transplanters?
I'm pretty sure you would need some good knowledge of medical justu to even perform this. I really doubt can see from en eye just by puting it in. Like kakashi had Rin use some medical jutsu to implant obito's eye so does madara and or itachi know any medical jutsu to be able to even do this?



on anothe rnote: how did madara steal his brother's eye when he was BLIND and weak while his brother was full of energy and able to see?>_>

[Razh]

on anothe rnote: how did madara steal his brother's eye when he was BLIND and weak while his brother was full of energy and able to see?>_>

Take your pick. It was either Surprise no jutsu or Plot no jutsu.

But I don't think he was especially weak. All ninjas are trained killers. He probably managed to surprise his brother real good. The guy probably didn't have time to react from surprise of his brother's action.

But I don't buy that that easilly. Itachi was showing Sasuke what Madara had told him. Maybe he just played him for his own goal. But if you look at it that way everything he said could be a lie.

[Inkovic]

Take your pick. It was either Surprise no jutsu or Plot no jutsu.

But I don't think he was especially weak. All ninjas are trained killers. He probably managed to surprise his brother real good. The guy probably didn't have time to react from surprise of his brother's action.

But I don't buy that that easilly. Itachi was showing Sasuke what Madara had told him. Maybe he just played him for his own goal. But if you look at it that way everything he said could be a lie.

Maybe Madara is really dead and Tobi is his brother pretending to be Madara for kicks?

My own theory is that somebody can take out one of their MS eyes and fuse it with the other to get one eye EMS. It should work just as well as using somebody else's eyes

[Razh]

Maybe there is no EMS.
Maybe Madara has been switching eyes repeatedly throughout his life. It could all be just a story to hype up Itachi.
Think of this. Whoever wins in this last fight will have Sasuke's eyes, and be severely weakened. Madara was saying something about Sasuke on that statue, giving him some importance. Madara only needs to come and take Sasuke's eyes. That Tobi ni front of Konoha team could just be a diversion to stop them from interupting the fight between brothers.

It's just a possibillity though.

[Rahan]

Well, unless Itachi has still some secrets to reveal, the only reason I can think of for his encounter with Naruto was to check out if there was still a bond between Naruto and Sasuke, so that he could kill Naruto and activate Sasuke's set of eyes. (and the bijuu extraction would kill Naruto, so it would be all good for Itachi. I am sure that ganging with S-rank criminals to beat up 6 on 1 a 15 years old kid who happens to be the eyes' best friend grants bonus points in the Uchihaverse).

[matsyes]

While how madara got his bro's eyes is interesting. It is also really off topic ... Please stick to the topic

[Razh]

It's all connected. Are you some kind of ontopic nazi?

I still think all of Itachi's "knowledge" about EMS and Madara's past is hearsay. Itachiwasn't there to see what happened. It's obvious that Madara has shown him what happened. Or shown him some other version that will suit his plans batter.

[bubi]

He'd have taken sasuke's eyes when he was weak and young if he could achieve EMS like that. I think itachi wants sasuke eyes just not to become totally blind

[kthy0056]

Maybe Madara lied Itachi about how to obtain MS and EMS ?

Kakashi and Madara and his brother achieved MS without killing their best friends, so killing your best friend is not true.
Maybe it's the same with EMS. Maybe Madara told him that in order too:
- he put him to kill shisui because he as the only one more stronger than Itachi and maybe he was very powerfull. This way he made Itachi killing a possible problem to Madara's plan.
- he put him to kill Sasuke when he is bigger with EMS because he ( Madara) wanted Sasuke too. This is what I believe at least.

I think that the Sharingan activates in very stresfull moments, just like the super sayan modes.

You would be very stressed if you are killing your best friend, or even worse if you take the eyes from your brother.
But both Itachi and Madara had a deep conection with their brothers so it's logical that they were habing intense feelings.