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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
At first, all we had to go by was what Itachi told Sasuke. He wanted to test his abilities. Now we see that Itachi wanted Sasuke to utterly hate him so Sasuke would strive to become stronger and eventually seek the Mangekyou Sharingan which Itachi would steal.
However, there is something wrong with this:
1) Why did Madara help him?
2) If Itachi wanted to fatten up Sasuke (make him stronger so he can take the eyes for himself), why didn't he just train Sasuke himself, making Sasuke get the Mangekyou and then backstabbing him like Madara did to his brother?
These two points raise a lot more questions. Why did Madara have to gain by murdering his clan? What were Itachi's REAL motives in complying with Madara?
Sadly, I have a feeling we won't get a definite answer for a long time, but maybe someone here can give a plausible analysis on this topic.
Honestly i think Madara is tricking Itachi to steal Sasuke eyes so then Madara can jumps into the body of who ever wins between the brothers and regain the Eternal Mangekyou and have the Kyuubi as his pet.
I think it sucks that even near the end of the brothers fight, we still have no clue of the real reasons of the massacre and the emotional dialogue that should have been taking place between the brothers turned into :
_ S I hate you
_ I GIMME EYES ! I wanna be like my indestructible teacher ...
... who sucks now
_ S ha ha ha ! your jutsus are nothing in front of my haxor hatred
_ I you noob, GIME EYES ! GIMME ! GIMME !
_ Z for those who just turned radio Zetsu on, let's repeat that Sasuke is currently having the upper hand !
_ S you bastard
_ O haha I am out, now time to kick some ass
_ O (dies)
_ I EYES ! EYES !
Itachi seems to like someone who seeks power, he didn't see himself as the captain of Konohas police nor as the clan heir and leader. He wanted more as that, he wanted more power.
Now seriously how many times in the manga universe have characters gone insane in the progress of gaining power and taking over the world?
About Madaras help, seriously I don't know who is using who at the moment. I always thought Madara was the bad guy. Either Madara is using Itachi or reverse. I'm looking forward to that answer.
The possibility of training Sasuke and to take his eyes later on... lol It just seems like a bad joke... Itachi had enough of playing the older caring brother, so why bother with the younger brother any further?
My impression is that the Uchiha's Clan past will reveal more as just that matter... there might be an even greater thing as just the clans history.
I bet the Hyuuga's have a hidden lore or a revelation about the Uchiha's History, besides that the Kyuubi seems to be familiar with the Uchihas, he also could be used as source to gain information on that matter. also what's with that Granny cat??? ... meh, i still didn't get that part...
What I'm really interested in is the ANBU's Investigation File of the Clans massacre. Did they found the secret room in which the clan story or whatever is stored in and what was their conclusion?
Last edited by Kunoichi_Hada; March 05, 2008 at 07:31 PM. Reason: forgot to put some stuff...
Uchiha Madara : "Your supposed to Bow before me I made you and I'll unmake you..."
Random Uchiha: "Yeah about that well the Shodai wants to stop all this insane killing each other for power and well he has a whole lot of good points so we are going to side with him, have a nice life.."
Uchiha Madara: "I will have my revenge even if it takes me 60 years to do it, but someday an Uchiha will come to me and seek the true power of the sharingan and he will help me wipe the gimpy lot of you off the face of this world!!!"
Seems pretty simple to me.
As for 2. That requires you to understand a simple fact about Sasuke he's not a sociopathic killer who will do anything for power, so training him up would be a little difficult especially when your boss wants you to help him murder the entire clan for rejecting him 60 years earlier to follow Shodai.
Maybe Madara is facing another problems with his eye(s). Perhaps the other hidden one behind the mask is already blinded by amaterasu (or any possible unknown doujutsu). So in order to obtain a very powerful eye as replacement, it is impossible with just simply take on a random uchiha and gouged off his eyes. He must create a scenario where some uchihas are to kill among themselves, pushed themselves beyond their limit and forced themselves to discover new heights for their doujutsus. The last survivor of uchiha will surely obtained the most powerful eyes (well, at least technically). So these are the eyes that Madara's sought.
He just used Itachi as his pawn to get Sasuke's or the other way round...
Well the only way you can get Mangekyou is to kill your best friend. If everything was going great, awesome older brother who personally trains you, best at everything, popular why would you kill your best friend? Sasuke wasn't a cold hearted bastard before Itachi and Madara killed everyone. Doing that pushed Sasuke out into the mental state where he could kill his best friend if it meant getting revenge.
1. It was a future threat to Madara.
2. It didn't live up to Madara's ideals and expectations. So in order to have an Uchiha that lives up to Madara's ideals, Madara wanted to start a new Uchiha clan.
For the Itachi-Sasuke relationship:
1. Itachi couldn't train Sasuke because ANBU was after him.
2. Itachi has been trying to protect Sasuke from Madara since the very beginning. So in order for Sasuke to stay undetected, Itachi remained distant and continuously refused to train Sasuke.
I'm starting to think that the Kyuubi was probably a former Uchiha or something. An entity made from the collective negativity of humans. Sasuke seems to be a foci point of hatred.
I wonder if Madara found a way to turn someone into a biju or something.Maybe a proper human sacrifice is needed in order to summon forth the Kyuubi into the world.
2. Again, this is a speculation. Don't try to pass it off as fact.
The police squad suspected Itachi only because of Shisui's suspicions (they have strictly nothing on him when they confront him) and I don't think anything was ever said about ANBU being after him.
Actually Zeus Tails one of the things Itachi said was
"I have lost all hope for this pathetic clan."
We know for a fact that Madara was the brains behind the Uchiha Massacre.
We also know that the only reason Sasuke lived was because of his potential.
We also know that Sasuke is not and is likely completely incapable of actually commiting murder.
As for the thread everything in it is speculation including your thoughts.
As you were wondering, could there've been other ways of instilling so much hatred for Sasuke to grow stronger other than killing the clan? Sure. Killing the parents might've been enough but then again, the rest of the Uchiha clan might interfere with Itachi's plans by comforting and easing that hatred. By making Sasuke suffer lost of loved ones and loneliness, the kind of hatred Itachi hoped to achieved would be satisfied.
Of course I still find it strange that Itachi grinned happily at what Naruto said to him.
Last edited by segua; March 06, 2008 at 05:45 PM.