Luffy vs. Zoro! Who would win?

[Imitorar]

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[marte1980]

This is our flow of messages :

he might be considering only your few facts, but zoro has got one huge advantage!
three to be more precise. luffy can do as many gomu-gomu-no attacks as he wants but that won't help if his arms and legs fall off because zoro slices him. well at least luffy could fight do flamingo then and chopper would have quite something to do afterwards :p

That's like saying that Luffy couldn't have fought against Lucci because Lucci could use Rankyaku.

imho it's not. rankakyu is not a sword attack even if it has a shotgun effect or sth. to that effect it wasn't poerfull enough to pierce through luffy.
slashing and slicing (with the right amount of a fist of love although I should rename it swor of love) would do the trick. so please stop comparing and get out real arguments, cause I know there are some

Maybe you forgot that even Kaku said he used Yontou(4 swords), because he could use his legs to launch Rankyaku.

dunno what you mean by that, afaik kaku never fought luffy....

Kaku said that during his fight against Zoro.

The point is : Rankyaku has the same effect as swords, not shotguns(why did you think that?). So saying that Zoro has the advantege against Luffy is like saying that Lucci has the advantage against Luffy, but that doesn't mean that Luffy can't beat both of them. Luffy is stronger than Zoro, it has been said many times in the manga and it has been proved. And Luffy could have beaten every one of Zoro's enemies(except Mihawk still, but he will. Even Mihawk said that becoming the pirate king is more difficult than becoming stronger than him). Even Zoro himself every time leaves to Luffy the enemies he knows he can't beat.

[Akainu]

sry my bad, I totally mixed up rankakyu with shigan.
again, sry.

[DutchPhoenix]

depending on the power of the rankakyu, when lucci used victorious bird luffy said if it hitted him he would be sliced in 2,

zoro has also technique's wich are so fast even soru users cant dodge,

that tiger technique,
some demon technique
and asura are so fast luffy wont dodge,

and always when luffy has to baddle vs zoro he becomes nervous somehow

i think they are equal in power, but they defeat enemies the other can not defeat

Best sample is with enel

but in luffy vs zoro, zoro wins due he is the best with swords and swords own rubber, especially since its luffy's weakness =)

[Franckie]

Luffy is the guy who defeated Rob Lucci, someone not even Zoro could handle. Zoro is one of the SHs strongest fighters, but Zoro would need assistance to even have a remote chance of walking away the victor in a fight with Luffy.

[Neuroff]

depending on the power of the rankakyu, when lucci used victorious bird luffy said if it hitted him he would be sliced in 2,

zoro has also technique's wich are so fast even soru users cant dodge,

that tiger technique,
some demon technique
and asura are so fast luffy wont dodge,

and always when luffy has to baddle vs zoro he becomes nervous somehow

i think they are equal in power, but they defeat enemies the other can not defeat

Best sample is with enel

but in luffy vs zoro, zoro wins due he is the best with swords and swords own rubber, especially since its luffy's weakness =)

Swords are NOT Luffy's weakness, they affect him about the same as they would a normal person. I'd actually say they probably do even less than they would to a normal person. If Luffy were weak to swords, he never would have been able to beat Lucci.

[lordHokage]

Luffy is the guy who defeated Rob Lucci, someone not even Zoro could handle. Zoro is one of the SHs strongest fighters, but Zoro would need assistance to even have a remote chance of walking away the victor in a fight with Luffy.

Well said. Rob Lucci was one of Luffy's most powerful opponents. Zoro is very strong but Monkey D. Luffy is much stronger.

[Razh]

Luffy is the main character. Luffy will become a pirate king. Luffy would defeat Zoro.

Anyone caught the last arc?

[Mr.Popo]

I think there is no huge gap in strength between Luffy and Zorro and never was!

As proof the on an only real fight between the two of them in Wiskey Peak. It is long ago and was not the most serious fight (compared to fights against major villains) but it gave us a hint: no one had a CLEAR advantage, they were quite even.

You said Luffy always fights the strongest because he is the strongest of SH. I don't think so. Luffy fights the strongest, because it is his job as the captain and also one day he wants to become pirate king.
Zoro indeed fights only less powerful enemies, but while Luffy has to go to his limits, Zoro has less problems. So he could fight stronger guys as well.

And one thing is for sure: Zoro has more stamina and/or endurance then Luffy!
After the fight against Moria and Oz, Luffy passed out without checking if Oz is really defeated. On the other hand, if Kuma wasn't lying, Zoro took all of Luffys pain and fatigue even though he was in no good condition either. And he was still standing conscious after it.

That said, i fully agree with Razh

Luffy is the main character. Luffy will become a pirate king. Luffy would defeat Zoro.

[Superman]

Yesss...mhhhh....no! Not really.
So you say Luffy fight the strongest only because it is his job, and Zoro fight less powerful opponents and he could beat luffys enimies?
Luffy goes to his limits and Zoro don`t....
This is one of the funniest posts ever written on MH.
Zoro would have no chance against enimies like Lucci or Moria with his whole shadows in him.
luffy beat the crap out of moria, all alone, without help.

[Mr.Popo]

Yesss...mhhhh....no! Not really.
So you say Luffy fight the strongest only because it is his job, and Zoro fight less powerful opponents and he could beat luffys enimies?
Luffy goes to his limits and Zoro don`t....
This is one of the funniest posts ever written on MH.
Zoro would have no chance against enimies like Lucci or Moria with his whole shadows in him.
luffy beat the crap out of moria, all alone, without help.

Sorry, but did you read my post as well as the manga?

I generalized and simplified things (especially about limits), but i never said Zorro could beat Luffys enemies. I never even said they are equal in strength.

This is fiction. Oda did his best to give everyone his own enemy he fits best to.
boss against boss, sword against sword (and woman against sanji ). Zorro would have no chance against Enel, but i doubt Luffy could have beaten Mr.1 back then.

I don't think you are right about Luffy and Moria. Sure, he fought against him all alone, but had a lot of help from Moria himself, who could not really stand 1000 shadows in him.

But i agree that Zorro could not have beaten Lucci, I mean even Luffy needed some help from Ussup, but Moria was rather weak, as he gave up on fighting for himself and let the zombies do the dirty work.

Luffy is the strongest, closely followed by Zorro and a bit later Sanji.

[marte1980]

Luffy is stronger, but anyway the chapters where Luffy and Zoro fought were absolutely the worst chapters of all the manga! They were the stupidest and most disturbing ones! First of all the reason to start the fight was non existent and Luffy was completely out of character to believe some stranger's words against his best friend(do you remember that he didn't believe that pirate hunter, which was his friend, when he said that Nami killed Usopp?). The fight was ridiculous, without any real scene of the fight drawn. The ending of it was funny, but utter crap for a fight. I just hope I won't ever see something like that again. If the author wants to make those 2 fight again(first thing that comes to mind is Doflamingo), he should have the courage to make it a real fight with a real winner, like the Luffy vs Usopp fight. But I hope it won't happen.

[Superman]

Sorry, but did you read my post as well as the manga?

I generalized and simplified things (especially about limits), but i never said Zorro could beat Luffys enemies. I never even said they are equal in strength.

This is fiction. Oda did his best to give everyone his own enemy he fits best to.
boss against boss, sword against sword (and woman against sanji ). Zorro would have no chance against Enel, but i doubt Luffy could have beaten Mr.1 back then.

I don't think you are right about Luffy and Moria. Sure, he fought against him all alone, but had a lot of help from Moria himself, who could not really stand 1000 shadows in him.

But i agree that Zorro could not have beaten Lucci, I mean even Luffy needed some help from Ussup, but Moria was rather weak, as he gave up on fighting for himself and let the zombies do the dirty work.

Luffy is the strongest, closely followed by Zorro and a bit later Sanji.

Ok i read your and my post again.
Now i got what you mean. You only meant that he could fight stronger opponents between for example kaku and lucci so simple.
I read it in a wrong angle (around the corner)
But i never said that they are equal in strength either.
You said there is not a huge gap between them and i just wanna say the gap is bigger than we (or you; i don`t mean it bad) think

Enel is a good point i wanna came with this argument in my previous post as well, but the fight was a bit out of control from Oda.
Enel is lightning and so fast as well, so he could just get behind luffy and speer him up or cut him up. He can read minds and is lightning and got his ass kicked ,by a back then, little fish. How? Normaly he can transform into lightning so he could just get into the golden ball with which he got hit. No way, but it happened! He was defeated. Enel got his appearance way to early.
So i think they both would have no chance against enel. He is one of the strongest oppenents Oda create no one could stand this force not even garp or such. (Maybe Blackbeard and Dragon but we don`t know if he can create lightning as a consequence of the weather or of controlling. He has to be logia... but if i think about it doesn`t matter if he can create lighning in a fight with enel )
Cyborgs and zombies could stand against him ( maybe) but on the other hand there is a strong physical power in Enels attacks too, but not so strong that he could destroy for example Kumas fake body. Complicated!
And he is Logia.
To describe his powers he has to get in my eyes a bounty of min. 900 million but oda said if he would be a wanted pirate he just get 500 million.
WOOOOT i got drifting i couldn`t get the eyes of my gilfriends ti.....
FUCK I GOT DRIFTING AGAIN

[ANBU4U]

I wonder who would win heads up between Luffy and Zoro?

I believe Luffy is stronger.....but in theory Luffys biggest disadvantage should be against a swordsman, as sharp edges negate his ability to soften blunt trauma.

I really just dont know how luffy would beat a swordsman who was above or slightly below his own level of power....as a pure fighter, he's just at an extreme disadvantge,he and sanji both.

It'd be one thing if Luffy was so much better than the swordsman that he could parry all attacks at close range...but that should'nt really work against someone close to or above his own level of speed....

In fact stretching becomes an extreme liability in all but Gear 2.

Anyway...back on topic. I think Zoro can compete with Lucci at the current time, I'm not sure he could win, but I think he could force Lucci to take things seriously.

Then again the same could be said of Sanji. He did after all deflect Oz's Gumu Gumu No Bazooka with he Diable Jambe.....an attack thats was arguably more powerful than Luffys Gumu Gumu Gigant Pistol....which blacked Lucci out. (Had Lucci not been fortunate enough to land on one of the Navy ships he'd have died.)

And mind you, Sanji can deliver that level of force far swifter than luffy.

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Moved into a thread where this post is more on-topic, since this doesn't really have much to do with Lucci vs. Zoro.

[Freakzin]

well if you think about it, anyone can get sliced up by swords, maybe just not franky, so it shouldn't be that bad for luffy, i think luffy's greatest enemies are logias, not swordsmen