General Character Strength Ranking Thread

[Richo]

we should not forget about the captains their releases, some captains have a real nasty shikai (some vice captains also) and their bankai is even worse.
if we look at the known shikai and bankai of SS vice captains and captains most espada gonna get a hard time against them even the stronger espade.
here are some examples...
1. mayuri 12th captain: his bankai has deadly poison gas so even he loses the one who is against him will also die and he probably wont with that liquid form of his.
2. soifon 2th captain: her 2 hit dead shikai is quite effective and her mastery of shunpo will have a big advantage against most espada
3. kira 3th vice captain: his double the weight on each hit his zanpakatou recieves or deals will pretty much get anyone down who attacks his sword directly...

these examples are just how hard aizen gonna get it when he invades SS and then we even got the old class captains who are just insane strong like yamamoto or kenpachi.
Aizen also wants to have the strongest army so he is sure of his victory against everyone also against ichigo and Co., also its already been proven that aizen did not know about the vaizards perhaps until recently when ichigo showed his vaizard mask or when shinji appeared to fight against grimjow.

[Neuroff]

we should not forget about the captains their releases, some captains have a real nasty shikai (some vice captains also) and their bankai is even worse.
if we look at the known shikai and bankai of SS vice captains and captains most espada gonna get a hard time against them even the stronger espade.
here are some examples...
1. mayuri 12th captain: his bankai has deadly poison gas so even he loses the one who is against him will also die and he probably wont with that liquid form of his.
2. soifon 2th captain: her 2 hit dead shikai is quite effective and her mastery of shunpo will have a big advantage against most espada
3. kira 3th vice captain: his double the weight on each hit his zanpakatou recieves or deals will pretty much get anyone down who attacks his sword directly...

these examples are just how hard aizen gonna get it when he invades SS and then we even got the old class captains who are just insane strong like yamamoto or kenpachi.
Aizen also wants to have the strongest army so he is sure of his victory against everyone also against ichigo and Co., also its already been proven that aizen did not know about the vaizards perhaps until recently when ichigo showed his vaizard mask or when shinji appeared to fight against grimjow.

1. Mayuri: dead before he can say bankai.
2. Soi Fong: dead before she can hit someone once.
3. Kira: dead before he can swing his sword.

[hyl]

1. Mayuri: dead before he can say bankai.
2. Soi Fong: dead before she can hit someone once.
3. Kira: dead before he can swing his sword.

1. Mayuri is also sneaky and inventive like Szayel Aporro, i am doubting that he gets killed so fast. He is too smart to be fight stronger directly just like szayel.

2.Soi Fong is atleast on par with yoruichi when it comes to hand to hand combat. Yoruichi did defeat Yammi without effort (and without a zanpaktou). So i doubt that Soi Fong will be dead within moments

3: Kira is dead before he can swing his sword, i cant disagree with that.

[Impel Down]

Yeah, I doubt Kira would do that well. I'm not even sure if he could defeat some fraction. Mayuri...would have to fight someone around 7-10 in order to win, even if he is sneaky. Soi Fong can probably only beat Yammy and Jarguy, altough Szyel isn't that fast, so she could probably hit him twice.

[Richo]

1. Mayuri: dead before he can say bankai.
2. Soi Fong: dead before she can hit someone once.
3. Kira: dead before he can swing his sword.

we must not put most captains in such a weak categorie, everyone in SS is training for the winterwar and kubo did not overpower the espada at such a degree that they are so much stronger that they could defeat the SS captains without trouble.

[Impel Down]

He pretty much has. I mean, he made Ulquiorra crazy-strong, he's made it obvious that Grimmjow is well above Byakuya's level, so far he's made Szayel near-invincible, and Yourichi DID kinda lose to Yammy.

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

FYI Impel, Yammy didnt beat Yoruichi. It was actually Yoruichi who beat Yammy unconcious when she was rescuing Ichigo.

[Impel Down]

But he was still very much alive, and she injured herself on him. I'm aware that he didn't technically win, but he would have killed her if Kisuke didn't rescue her.

[ttxdragon]

She got injured due to her underestimating the effectiveness of the steelskin.

Please remind yourself of one thing: She didn't use anything but flashsteps and hand-to-hand combat there. If she would've started using her special technique yammy would've been a pile of dead meat. It was just a question of hardening her body so she wouldn't have gotten injured. She didn't even need the powerboost that that technique brings with itself.

Which in return tells us about the level the tenth espada is at:
below soi fong --> below captain class without bankai.

Which doesn't say much about the first 4 espada, but i think it tells us enough to see that kubo did in fact not overpower espada to a level on which only a very limited amount of fighters will be useful in the war.

[Impel Down]

Well, he certainly didn't overpower the Jarguy, that's for sure. But he did still make Yammy, Szayel, so on so forth incredibly strong. I mean, he made Luppi weaker than the regular Espada, and look at how much he schooled all those shinigami!

[Richo]

the 9th espada was still stronger then yammi else he would not be 9th
yammi is relative weak as ichigo in a weak state could beat him and yourichi without sword and any special abilities did overpower him
szayel is a mad scientist like mayuri, if he would had fought against renji in the open field he would had lost.
so 10 till 8 are already relative not overpowerd, about grimjow he is quite strong but then again there are captains in SS still stronger then ichigo.

[Impel Down]

I still think that in an open fight, he'd have a pretty good chance against Renji. I mean, Renji said that if he was at full power his entire fight against Ilfortz, he would have lost. Szayel is stronger than Ilfortz, and Renji is at full power. Besides, Szayel can read attacks well too, and most of Renji's are pretty obvious. Not to mention that his body is hella strong, as it survived being stabbed in the head, a direct explosion, and a giant Quincy beam of death, all without releasing.

[Warden]

Actually, Renji said that he might have lost/didn't know what would have happened if he had not got an opening from making all that ruckus with his limit lifting, not that he would have lost had he been fighting 100% right from the start.

At least in the translations I've read.

Edit. I agree that Szayel would still propably win, if he released.

[Impel Down]

Well, before he left, he made it seem like he could kill them with a cero right then and there, so maybe he just likes to be flamboyant?

[Neuroff]

1. Mayuri is also sneaky and inventive like Szayel Aporro, i am doubting that he gets killed so fast. He is too smart to be fight stronger directly just like szayel.

Mayuri is MUCH weaker than Szayel, or Ishida would have killed him already. When there's a huge power difference, being smarter means nothing, you just get destroyed before you can move. Look at Byakuya cutting off Ichigo's sword, or Ichigo putting on his mask vs. Dordooni.

2.Soi Fong is atleast on par with yoruichi when it comes to hand to hand combat. Yoruichi did defeat Yammi without effort (and without a zanpaktou). So i doubt that Soi Fong will be dead within moments

You can see how much Yoruichi was holding back when you see how badly she dominates Soi Fong once they start using Shunkou. Soi Fong wouldn't stand a chance against any strong espada, her shikai wouldn't even be able to penetrate their skin.

we must not put most captains in such a weak categorie, everyone in SS is training for the winterwar and kubo did not overpower the espada at such a degree that they are so much stronger that they could defeat the SS captains without trouble.

I already said this, it's not just Aizen vs. Soul Society. It's Aizen vs. Soul Society + Humans + Urahara's Group + Vizards + etc. If they were only even with the captains, they would lose easily.

Also, Yoruichi thought she beat Yammi, but she didn't. If Urahara wasn't there, she would have taken a Cero in the face.

the 9th espada was still stronger then yammi else he would not be 9th
yammi is relative weak as ichigo in a weak state could beat him and yourichi without sword and any special abilities did overpower him
szayel is a mad scientist like mayuri, if he would had fought against renji in the open field he would had lost.
so 10 till 8 are already relative not overpowerd, about grimjow he is quite strong but then again there are captains in SS still stronger then ichigo.

There are at MOST 3 captains still stronger than Ichigo. And I'm having doubts about whether Shunsui and Ukitake are stronger than him now.