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Just thought id get my ideas on this out an see what other people have to think.
Alot of people seem to think that the Royal Guard is entirely made up of Captain class Shinigami, i heavily doubt this. If the Royal Guard was made up entirely of Captain class Shinigami then why would Soul Society be so concerned about Aizen invading the King's Dimension? With a division made entirely of Captain level shinigami allied with the Gotei 13, Aizen would only stand a chance if he had several Vasto Lorde level Arrancar as well as his Espada.
Its safe to assume that the Kings dimension has its own population, some of these would inherently be members of the Royal Guard. Members of the noble familes would also be likely members of the division considering they must have some link to the King to carry the title of a Noble.
The way i see the Royal Guard is this.
Captain - Former Commander-General or someone of a equivocal power within the Royal family or the Noble's.
Vice-Captain - Former Captain, possibly a previous Kenpachi or holder of another prestigous title.
Seated Officers - Former Captain or Vice-Captains and possibly Shinigami who began in Division Zero.
Regular Division Members - Vice-Captain or Officer class, mixture of recruits from both Soul Society and the Kings Dimension.
The Division Zero is likely smaller than the others which are each several hundred strong. I think it would be split into several small twenty or so strong specialist units each headed up by a different officer. In other words a condensed Gotei 13. They would probably be divided up into a Bodyguard detail, tactical unit, elite Kidou users and a main combat unit as well as both elite close and ranged combat units. There would be little need for medical units as the Royal Guard appears to be the last line of defense and are most definately the least active Division. The elite Kidou and main combat units would likely inlcude some medical personal to compensate.
So his my overall view of Division Zero.
Captain - Oversees and controls the activities of the Royal Guard, acts as liason to the King but controls the Division independantly.
Vice-Captain - Head of the Royal Bodyguard detail and liases between units to maintain a secure environment within the Kings Dimension.
3rd Seat - Liason Officer to Soul Scoiety, acts as political and military advisor to the King as well as the Captain.
4th Seat - Head of the tactical unit inlcuding espionage and specialist combat operatives. Simmilar to the 2nd Division and Special Forces.
5th Seat - Head of Kidou unit including scientists, senkaimon openers, healers etc. A combination of the 4th and 12th Divisions as well as the Kidou Corps.
6th Seat - Head of Elite close-combat unit. Essentialy a scaled down 11th Division.
7th Seat - Head of Elite ranged-combat unit. Made up of high level users of long range Zanpakuto and Kidou.
8th Seat - Head of Main combat unit. Simmilar to Divisions such as the 10th which seem to have no specific purpose other than as millitary personal.
Good Analysis, Ken-oh, about RG, but IMO, I believe the RG has about 5, 7 members, and all of his members are above average captain class members;
About the SS concerning about Aizen: I believe somehow the RG was disbanded in some time in the past; the reasons seems unclear to me until the moment, but I think Aizen has something to do with this;
If the RG still exists, they're in another dimension, and have little to no contact to SS, the concerning could be only in SS side, maybe the king's dimension hasn't any worries until now because the king believes in the power of RG;
An interesting read.
I still believe that the Royal Guard is made of only captain-class shinigami, based on induction from what we've heard about the RG recently and based on it making the most since to have only the strongest possible shinigami as a part of such an illustrious division.
The reason that Gotei 13 is making such a big deal about Aizen trying to reach the King's dimension is because that is the purpose of Gotei 13. They are the army of Soul Society, the army of the King. They aren't just going to sit back and ignore their duties just because the Royal Guard might be able to handle it.
Both good points, i never realy considered the Royal Guard as such a small group. I just pictured the King's Dimension as a miniture Seireitei so i assumed it may take more than a handful of elite Shinigami to protect. I have to agree that it does seem very plauseable that Division Zero is infact more of a group of elite bodyguards, each being above the average Captain class.
As for the Gotei 13 getting so worked up about it i would say you are wrong. Of course it is their job and they would not lay back and let Aizen invade just cause the Royal Guard could defeat him, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't contact Division Zero for assistance in such a situation. The Royal Guards duty is to protect the King, from a millitary point of view it would be wiser for Division Zero to assist the Gotei 13 in quickly dealing with this rebelion before Aizen could pheasably pose a threat to the King.
This brings me back to the first post, why wouldn't have Division Zero acted in some sort of way by now? With Aizen taking two other Captains and building an elite force of Arrancar to battle the Gotei 13 with, consolidating Soul Society's millitary power would be the only option. Thinking about it there must no longer be a Royal Guard or at least to the extent it once was.
Within the Vizard there are four former Captains that we know of, Shinji, Love, Rose and Kensei. There are the three renegade Captains Aizen, Tousen and Gin. Finally we have Urahara, Yoruichi and Isshin living in the real world. In addition to the remaining ten Captains that makes 20 former or current Captains 3 others capable of Bankai that we know of. If there is also a bunch of Captain class Shinigami in the Royal Guard that makes not only Bankai but also that level of power quite trivial.
If thats the case my assumption is Division Zero has been reduced to nothing more than two or three Captain level bodyguards and a handful at the Vice Captain level.
Why hasn't the RG made an appearance up until now? Here are some possible answers:
A) The royal guard is supposed to remain in the king's dimension as the last line of defense for the royal family. They are just as removed from the events of the other worlds as the King himself. If they are trying to keep the entrance to the King's dimension extremely heavily guarded, then it is plausible that they would want to limit traffic between the King's dimension and anywhere else as much as possible to prevent allowing someone else entrance.
B) It is a matter of convenience for the plot. If the RG is as powerful as it seems to be, it would not make sense for them to have charged in at this point, as it would take away from the currently established characters the opportunity for development.
I think that you are making a bigger issue of this than it really needs to be. The RG is the new powerful force that Kubo will use as a trump card when he needs them. He is not going to bring them out yet, whether or not it would make the most logistical sense.
Some things id like to point out..
i think ichigo is descendant of royal blood, his father being an ex captain promoted, mother most likeley being a daughter of the king, was exhiles from SS etc. due to "Their Love" etc etc etc etc.
well if aizen can stomp gotei 13 that means soul society would be in deep trouble so i assume the royal guards will come out n help wen they are in a pinch
Last edited by gfire2; April 13, 2008 at 03:46 AM.
if the rg are made up of captains dosent that mean that aizen is in deep shit, unless he is attacking now becuase he has already killed them or knows that they have disbanded if they were still together im sure he would have made more espada level arrankar before attacking
What if the Vaizards are the new Division Zero? That would be pretty cool!
Since Aizen is already aware that the Royal Guard consists of very powerful Shinigami, he's definitely prepared in some way or another. I think it's more likely he desires 10 Vasto Lorde Espada to defeat the Royal Guard than to defeat Gotei 13, since the perfect counter to extremely powerful Shinigami would logically be the most powerful hollows.
I also doubt Issin is a part of division 0, because he states himself 20 years ago he completely abandoned the ways of a Shinigami, including giving up his powers.
^ Unless somehow the RG was disbanded but unknown reasons in the past; Aizen seems to be so prepared about it: only the 3 top espadas won't be able the defeat an entire RG, maybe in the past, Aizen himself was to responsible for such event...
lets review shall we now...
okay first off you guys remember when Aizen left SS notice that no one was able to stop him at all he blocked Ichigo's bankai with a finger clearly he is extremely powerful now lets take a look at what Aizen did in SS he obtained the Hogyoku so he could break down the line between shinigami and hollow with the intention of doing this to himself now lets think of this like this Aizen was strong as they come to begin with now imagine him vaizard...anyways he also created a super strong army of arrancar and is intending to destroy Karakura town surely the Gotei 13 can't let that slide and as for the royal guard I can't really comment on that because we lack details
With already 4 chapters of Gaiden, unfortunately I believe we won't see much more of RG in this arc...
But somehow I believe Kubo will do a gaiden exclusively to RG. mainly because it is one of the greatest secrets in the series...
And if the RG appears in the main storyline, you can be sure that will be a BOOMM, trust me, in the minimum, will be epic...
The question is really simple,what do u think that are the criteria to enter in the RG???Shunsui said that Hikifune was accepted in RG.....like she asked that promotion...but really don't know what to think!
If in the RG are all captain level Shinigami,why Shunsui,Ukitake,Yammi and Unohana aren't in there....or even Aizen?I mean,they are far far far stronger than a normal captain level and they are captain since 200/300/400 years.......Yammi(2000 years....)!
Do u think that u have to ask for the promotion or u need some particular characteristic???like some specific power of the zanpakuto,high level of knowledge of kidou,swordmanship e other stuff like that.....a really really high level of reiatsu (not sure about that,Aizen has twice the reiatsu of a Captain.....he even didn't know about them 10 years before the vizardification and at that time he was already working at his betrayal because Shinji said that he made him is VC because he didn't trust him...)
What about a third level release......TENKAI (heaven release) which makes your zanpakuto an armor???or other transformation/transfiguration of your power and that of your zanpakuto like releasing the soul inside them or something different.....have u any theories about that???
Sorry for my bad english...
Criteria: Uber Pwnage
I think you'd have to ask Yama-ji to be a Royal Guard, and some test would be conducted.
Shunsui obviously likes lazy around so he wouldn't ask to be promoted.