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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
what if old man zengetsu is the past 11th himself? it's not fully impossible Ichigo is known to draw people toward him. And it is said that reincarnation is possible in the universe of bleach.
Further evidence of his 11th division/kenpachi connection could be in his motto when he went Shikai "Go Foward, Move Forward, Flee and you will age, hesitate and you will die." Sound excatly like something some one who loves battle would say and would make sense why he has made personal appearances in front of the previous 12th/2nd and Current 11th captain the only people who would know his face if they saw it hinting at a connection that we didn't know about in the past when we read bleach.
Last edited by JioFreed666; April 17, 2008 at 12:54 AM.
A zanpakuto isn't a separate soul. Its the manifestation of its owner's power. The two are, for all intents are purposes, the same person. One just happens to be smarter in the ways of shinigami for whatever reason.
It is a separate soul because they have to be synced in order to be used properly like Zangetsu said"You can't just except me to response the way you want me to just because you know my name" and if you don't call Hollow Ichigo a separate soul your seriously tripping because if you remember what he said before he disappeared the last time "if you let up for even a second with a second I'LL BECOME THE KING AND YOU WILL BECOME THE HORSE" if that's not signs of a separate soul I don't know what is and since it's one part of Zangetsu it means Zangetsu is a bunch of souls that stem from Ichigo and maybe not even from ichigo but reincarnated souls we don't know everything about bleach especially about ichigo and where his power both Shinigami and Hollow/Vizard or his father's power comes from.
Last edited by JioFreed666; April 17, 2008 at 02:27 AM.
Zanpakutou are manifestations of shinigami's soul. Both Zangetsu and "Hollow Ichigo" are parts of Ichigo's soul. They have their personae, but they are still a part of one soul.
How many laws of what is normal in shinigami has Ichigo broken? answer me that please
2. Invading the Seireitei
3. Interfering with an execution
4. Being a vizard
He probably has broken more laws, but not all of the laws of SS have been given so far and I might have overlooked something.
I means more like along the lines of
Him COMING BACK FROM BEING ALMOST TAKEN OVER BY A HOLLOW TWICE one of those times actually taking a full hollow form!!
Him not only breaking the 10 year record for achieving Bankai but broke even what the original the set time he would do it in which was 2 days even thought we have no idea of his family history which a Byakuya said bankai is something only few shinigami are able to do even in that 10 year period
Him not only beating two captain level shinigami only using bankai one out of the two times he did
But the fact he has a huge Zanpakuto that he can wield almost as easily as any other Shinigami with a small one
on top of that him bouncing back from having his spiritual power supposedly sealed forever
He breaks alot of the norms of what is explained as a shinigami should and shouldn't be able to do.
Zangetsu is a part of Ichigo and unless Ichigo was the former captain of the 11th division (which he was not), Zangetsu had no relation to the 11th division either.
It's hard to believe but I say that the zanpakuto are the powers manifested of the persons. Well to be exact, the shinigami powers. Even those powers has it's own characteristics. In rare cases such as Ikkaku, their manifested powers have opposite characteristics.
you have no proof disproving that ichigo wasn't the reincarnated ex-11th captain but I have no proof that he was or even zangetsu being another soul inside a sword that isn't really a manifestation of ichigo's soul. that's why it's called a theory and is better then some of these other ones that have been flying around and makes you think more of the twist Kubo might throw at us then just thinking of what might happen next because I don't think anyone really expected this gaiden arc to pop up right in them middle of a potentially huge fight that was about to happen with SS and HM's forces
1. a zanpakatou is created in a way the user itself can easy wield it.
2. we dont know anything about the previous captains YET
Ichigo is originaly a human who are not supposed to have any shinigami powers (normaly they awaken when they are in SS), The only effective way urahara was to actualy endanger ichigo at such a lvl that his shinigami would need to jump in before they both died. The second time he got nearly taken over was a "side effect" from the first time, since it was also the intention of urahara to awaken hollow powers inside of ichigo.
cause ichigo does love to battle himself, the only thing is he tries to deny this fact by saying he only wants his powers to protect his friends. Shirosaki and many arrancter tried to actualy kick some sense in ichigo and i hope the nxt battle will~~.Quote:
you wanna take in that ichigo actualy fought 4 captain level shinigami: Ikkaku (has bankai), Renji (nearly had bankai when they fought), Kenpachi (obvious), and byukuya. Ichigo came to SS on vice captain- captain level not on 4th officer seat, he only recieved only smal experience boosts during their fights (and bankai when training).Quote:
2.refere to the first sentence of 1
As for the Urahara thing it's theory especially the Hollow part since ichigo was suppose to change back before hand it was a side effect of urahara not being able to think it's possible to take control of your body after the mask is on and the holes in your chest which from urahara's expression when he saw ichigo take his body back over he was genuinely shocked. We're not sure how any of the other vizards became oneit was an accident like with ichigo or just some luck of the draw using Urahara's device
Everyone loves battle but from what Zengetsu was saying he wanted Ichigo to let himself fully just give into constantly fighting for the sake of fighting which we know from watching ichigo due that one of two things happens he denys the feelings and trys to stop the fighting or hollow ichigo starts to take overQuote:
Renji was pwned(get owned without harming the enemy) by the same captain ichigo owned(beat the enemy but got hurt) later renji wasn't captain level at that point. Ikkaku clearly wasn't at captains strength because while he did harm ichigo the biggest wound in that fight was above his eye but he still won to the point Ikkaku couldn't stand but Ichigo was walking so I don't count him as captain level either at that point. and didn't ichigo in fact fight Renji in the same day without medical treatmentQuote:
Last edited by JioFreed666; April 17, 2008 at 03:53 AM.
byakuya said something like "it takes atleast 10 years for 1 to be able to master bankai"
has ichigo mastered his bankai?? HELL NO, not even close.
i use to think zangetsu was his uncle (due to translation) but then again kubo hasnt realli given us ani clue to who zangetsu besides shirosaki n zangetsu = the same person
Now, point by point, we know what a zanpakuto is. It's the user's power given form. Nothing more. This is a fact, one that does not change simply because someone stuck a shinigami car battery to Ichigo, so to speak, to get his powers moving. All it means is Ichigo got a boost. The sword is still formed in the same manner.
Let's move to the soul within a soul point. It cannot be the soul of another person. Why? Because Ichigo is already a soul. He can't have another full-fledged soul, just a facet of it, his hollow and sword.
You're fruitlessly trying to blur the lines for no apparent reason. Ichigo likes to fight, which is why his sword, hollow, and even inner monologue Zaraki encourage it. It has nothing to do with a second soul in him.