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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
After seeing Ichigo so humiliated, I was shocked, that he of all the people would fail.Now, he have no sword...so time to ask Ishida for quincy training.
all i could think off was where the fuck is hollow ichigo they really need to bring him back who agrees
Is it Zangetsu or Hollow Ichigo? I wonder who will teach him.
Originally Posted by kkckOriginally Posted by kkck
Well,my guess would be that,as Isshin said while in the Dangai,Ichigo has never communicated with his Zanpakutou and has always "bashed" his soul to get the abilities he had.Even when training for the FGT,Ichigo fought Zangetsu and Shirosaki merged.When learning to control his Hollow powers,he battled Shirosaki.All in one,he has never simply talked and communicated with his Zanpakutou; in this regard,he was oblivious to his Zanpakutou's own thoughts and opinions,and like Kenpachi simply fought to gain powers.IIRC,he has not done anything like when Hitsugaya was communicating with his Zanpakutou while in Karakura Town.This may be at base of the problem between him and the asauchi;he simply viewed Zangetsu as a friend but never truly communicated with him.
Another issue I see here is what you metioned,that Zangetsu hold all of Ichigo's powers and by that it includes cero and quincy abilities.Thinking about this way,Zangetsu can not even be called a Zanpakutou;I doubt any Asauchi,after turning into a Zanpakutou,can teach to fire a Cero or Quincy abilities.This is strictly related to Ichigo's hybrid powers,and to resolve this problem and become a proper Shinigami,he would either have to discard his Hollow and Quincy powers or to completely merge with his Shinigami powers.Things are rather confusing lol.
Last edited by g0dzax; February 20, 2013 at 01:57 PM.
If we take that seriously then the situation is a tad deeper than merely not talking to the zampakuto much.
There is no particular reason zangetsu cannot hold all of ichigo's powers and be a zampakuto though. The asauchi takes in the essence of the soul of the wielder and makes a power out of that. In this particular case zangetsu would simply have to take more abilities than what other zampakuto would. I don't think he actually needs to discard or merge with anything. Zangetsu and all the powers he holds are already a part of him, they are ichigo himself after all.
Also, Ichigo is still in his friggen bankai.... wtf does that dude ever power down?
I think he will get a lot of answers if he speaks with a Quincy actually.
I wasn't missing the "without asauchi" thing...problem is,first time Rukia transferred her powers to him,he simply appeared with the blade already accustomed to his soul.After Urahara's training,he just went from a broken nameless Zanpakutou to directly his Shikai.He simply had no asauchi,maybe Zangetsu as we saw him all this time is just a rudimentary form of his soul's manifestation or something like that.Maybe Nimaiya saw that Ichigo somehow does not use his true powers and manifested them without any guidance or whatever.However,given his words(that the ASAUCHI did not choose Ichigo) I don't understand,Nimaiya said he can repair Zangetsu but he does not want,yet the Asauchi themselves don't seem to want to get in touch with Ichigo(maybe they are scared of his Hollow powers lol).However,I still don't understand the relationship between Ichigo and Zangetsu;also,if Zangetsu is still broke,I wonder why Ichigo is even in Bankai.Guess some explanations are needed lol.
I don't think it is an issue for ichigo to remain in bankai. As far as I recall his particular bankai compresses power rather than releasing a lot of it like most do.
I imagine this will mean that Ichigo will gain quincy powers and then "heal" his own sword. Given that quincy can manipulate reishi and such.
i am sorry, but i jsut cannot help feel that ALL of what is giong on right now was totally made up on the spot. that these concepts did not exist until a few months ago. there is not even hints to any of this in the past.
i am serious here, this is what it feels like. but, for example, let us compare to another manga. in claymore a certain revelation recently showed a dark new depth to what is giong on in it. at first glance, it felt as forced as this whole slaucht. however, when i read the previous chapters, after a bit of suspicion filled me, i found that, in fact, there were clues to this hidden in the past chapters.
for its admitable flaws, the author had the foresight to have this revelation prepared with small clues from the chapters before. suddenly thigns i did not realize or think about suddenly sprang into focus, and realize that this was the author's idea the whole time.
here, there are no clues at all. it was obvious at the beginning that the sword was an extension of the shinigami's own conciousness and power, not an independant entity from the user. that was the rule of the mythos. this seemed to be emphasized by the fact kenpachi could not hear the voice of his blade at all, and kenpachi is not exactly the kind of guy who spends time looking within himself. ichigo was, especially when he needed to protect people.
now we have this cheap ass retcon of the whole matter. it is obviosuly a total retcon because ichigo got his sword the moment he became a shinigami. if a shinigami is Given the sword, whether personally or with some kind of power use, then they would ahve already known about ichigo the moment he gained the powers.
obviously, at least at that point, the sword was an extension fo the shinigami powers.
now it is all changed to force this new development that should not exist Bcause the swords were, orginally, not independent entities! even if he could not be accepted by the asauchi, this is ichigo we are talking about here. even in his earlier power levels, he defeated a handful of elite shinigami with his bare hands, even one who was the second in command to the god damn leader of the shinigami. he should ahve kicked their asses either way.
and where the FUCK was renji when they were trying to send ichigo away? the fuck man, renji is a total asshole all of the sudden.
Well i'd just like to say that i really enjoyed this weeks chapter, I mean come on whoever has read bleach from the very beginning can't say they haven't been waiting to see more about why Zaraki is the way he is, or his Zan finally being able to talk to him on a level rather the screams, fact is he was born at a time where everyone in SS(outskirts) was killing everyone but Zaraki even as a child was able to over come anything that was thrown at him, and even at a young age he was able to fight on par with a captain and the 1st Kenpachi at that!
Then we have Ichigo being 'kicked' out of Royal Dimension, which could be taken one of many ways, one being that he was actually thrown out of RD due to being half Quincy plus Half Shinigami, then we have him actually being shunted off to a different test due to his unique abilities, with Nimaiya having a grudge against it but has to obey SK's rules. I then think if its the latter ichigo will come to the realization that his Zan is himself so his Mugen Z as i like to call, final form.
would make sense with the recent power boost of pretty much all soul society plus probably the Vazords(from isshin) with all that he needs to start thinking back to that time
Last edited by devstauk; February 20, 2013 at 02:35 PM. Reason: Renji knowing for a fact those Aschachi superoarity was nothing compared with his own