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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Anyone else notice Zaraki holding his sword with two hands as he hit the final blow
What a failure it would be if zaraki learnt how to use bankai,and then got it stolen by the vandenreich during his first usage in battle
Off topic: I believe that the One Piece fandom is the most mature and enjoyable out of all the fandoms I know. For the most part, they know how to enjoy things without paying much mind to the (numerous) contrivances that do and may arise in that manga, speculating about what might happen instead about what they WANT to happen. It helps that OP is objetively the best shonen manga around, but I think they enjoy the show more than, say, fandoms from Bleach, Fairy Tail and (God help us in this one) Naruto.
Not trying to be holier than thou here, it's just how I feel. BTW I'll delete this post if it's TOO off-topic, but I believe it can contribute to a better discussion even a tiny bit
I never said Bleach was on the levels of One Piece, I only compared to Bleach, and Bleach alone. I agree that OP is a master piece, but lets keep this out of the discussing hehe
Either you read Bleach or you don't, that's the whole point.
If you read Bleach, then you also have to live with the fact that Kubo requires you to think a bit on your own, be it bad writing or good writing, who cares on that detail, it won't change the fact that the reader can't lean back and just enjoy the show without thinking a bit.
Kubo likes to troll, he likes to excite, he likes to make cliff hangers, he likes to give readers some things to ponder about. Whether he's good at this or not is an entirely other discussion, that I won't enter.
It's just, you either read Bleach or you don't, and if reading Bleach, and someone whines about the chapter without giving slight thoughts on the development, well, then that is not a constructive post to me.
I enjoy reading strong opinions, even if I disagree, but it has to be constructive at the very least.
People bashing Bleach from reading the chapter over max 40 seconds and then runs off to post on the Bleach forum how they hated the chapter is a bit... well how to put it... dull..
Well, I was becoming more and more convinced that 5 or so chapters down the line we'd see Unohana waking up being tended to by Isane and being told Zaraki carried her from Muken to the 4th Division hospital but after reading this chapter I suppose not. Well then I guess that's Unohana's story done with which is a shame really. But then hers is far from the worst injury we've seen Shinigami survive. Thinking about it there's no reason she should die here, it's just that her words were so final it really looks like she did or is about to. But then, you know... Byakuya. Time will tell I guess.
She was right though, Zaraki really is like a kid. What did he think was going to happen if he stuck a jagged sword through her spine, haha? And he can hear his Zan now. I'm surprised it's being so polite to him, I'd have thought it would be angry instead. As for what it does, I wonder if Spirits Are Forever With You was right, and it limits Zaraki's power so he can enjoy fighting. Whatever the case, whilst he can now learn to actually use his Shikai, I don't think he's going to learn Bankai any time soon. That would take a level of control I don't think he has access to yet. Maybe he will down the line, we'll see. Not that it would help him now, the Quincy would just steal it anyway...
And we didn't get to see the trial in the Asauchi pit, but that's fine with me, tbh. I don't really feel any need to. Anyway, I found it quite nice to finally see Renji succeeding where Ichigo failed for once. More to the point, the fact that Ichigo's had a Zanpakuto with no Asauchi is being addressed.
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I strongly doubt Unohana is dead due to what Kubo said in the Gotei 13 omakes. He specifically said Unohana will enter the battle field and unleash the power of her Zanpukto.
Training field =/= Battle field
You guys are just buying too much into Kubo's empty hype.
It would be stupid for her to die from a mistaken blow by Zaraki anyway lol.
For now I will write only about Ichigo, about Zaraki, his sword and Unohana I will write about it later, when I will have more time.
I must admit that I never imaginated that Ichigo would have failed this training.
Anyways I believe that the reason that the Asauchi rejected Ichigo was because he was unsure, the words that Juha Bach said about her mother surprised and at the same time have make him worried, after hearing these words Ichigo staggered, just like Rukia noticed in chapter 515.
For this reason I believe that in the chapter we will see that the afro-man began to repair Zabimaru (in the truth I believe he will repair even Zangetzu, even if we will not seen it until Ichigo will have surpassed the test.
As he said I think that he sent Ichigo back to the Earth, to Karakura.
There Ichigo will finally ask to Isshin about his past and about his mother, if what Bach said was true.
Then the doubts of Ichigo will vanish, in a similar to what happened after the first fight in the fake Karakura town against Aizen (infact after that thanks to his father and his training the doubts and fear in Ichigo vanished, and then infact he was able to defeat Aizen (and this was noticed by Gin in the last chapter that he appeared)).
But I don’t think that this will be enough, just life the afro-man said Ichigo has to began everything from the star point, in a similar way to what happened after losing his shinigami power the first time. The difference is that this time he will awake and train his quincy power.
In the truth I don’t think that he will master all the various techniques, I think that he will only master thanks to Ishida’s father the technique that make him absorb the reiatsu in the surrounding.
Anyways there is the possibility that after having completed the training with the Asuchi, Ichigo will leave this technique to his sword.
Infact the afro-man could have incorporate it in his sword, or otherwise after having repaired his swords, Ichigo will cut himself with it and then the power of the quincy that he has gained will be transferred to his sword (in a similar way to how Ginjo steal the power of Ichigo’s fullbring).
In this case Zangetsu itself will be able to take the reitasu from his surrounding.
But in the truth there is the possibility that Ichigo will be able to absord the reiatsu, and then he will transfer his reiatsu to Zangetzu, just like he did in the fight against Zaraki, in chapter 113.
Also it isnt too far fetched that Isane is cable of healing this specific wound if she did her very best fully concentrated and went all out to heal Unuhana, on a wound that seems completely identical to the wound she received from child version Zaraki, and remained in battle against child Zaraki, while healing herself.
This time she did not heal herself on what seems to be an identical wound, and thus wants to die.. Isane healing her however, seems very logical to me, so saying she's death yet is taking it too far for me as well until it's official, like a skilled healers judgement, a grave or ceremony etc.
Even the spinal core sould not be a problem, Unuhana did completely heal Hiyori after she was completely cut in two pieces after all.
Then we got the fact that Unuhana isn't the best healer around, and that Isane seems to be a very dedicated healer, but maybe not as good as Unuhana, however perhaps good enough.
So it seems realistic Unuhana survives, I for certain won't call BS if she does.
ichigo just got rejecteddddddddddddddddddddddddddd! zaraki will own fodder and get owned by upper quincy. so it seems sword dude knows about ichigos roots.....
On a slight more serious note, maybe it's somehow related to Unuhana's abilities, they got same "nature" after all with a few differences.
So maybe it can somehow save Unuhana, albeit this is wishful thinking and probably would suck as story development if he got something to lower his potential destructive power right after being through to get rid of his limits
How is Ichigo, w/o his sword, thinking that raeg-charging a Royal Guard member is the best move at the moment?
kido/heal type zans are taboo in 11th right now [don't 11th squad hate 4th sqaud still?], so it will be funny if it is. no need to make ken even godlier by it being power type.
I don't expect Kenpachi to learn his bankai out of the blue, and beside that I would be suprised to learn if it was anything other than a constant release, like his shikai. On another note, a kido type zanpakto would be just hilarious:-) I can expect his sword to look not so ragged though. Any theorys on the name of his sword? I seriously doubt they will reveal anything more on Zaraki since it would make more sense, as far as Cup-o-Titties usually does, and reveal it in a fight.