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Translations: Gintama 510 (2)
Nailed it? He didn't know the two abilities were the same til recently. And the comment was whether Kakashi had never been wrong, not if he had never been right. The point is that his words are not the words of god, an infallible source, especially when the actual evidences goes against it.
You are contradicting Kakashi and calling him some moron who has no idea what he speaks, Tobi as apparently he is mocking him and the biju because? I don't even know why... Point is its all nonsense. This is a confirmation from multiple caracters including the one doing it and 1 who is influenced by it.
Wat 2 abilities. At that point he demonstrated only teleportation and Kakashi NAILED IT.
Last edited by xXan; May 03, 2013 at 04:39 PM.
And he has never had a character be wrong or mislead? No evidence? We have Madara's control of the Kyuubi, Sasuke's control of Manda, and Obito's control of the Kyuubi and Gobi all showing what being controlled by eyes involves and looks like. It's not as if I'm basing my reasoning off of nothing. And again, we were also told the rods did more then a single thing.
Obito wasn't mocking him? Then please explain exactly what role Kakashi's eye had in that deduction that would deserve praise... What two abilities? Um, the phasing and teleporting, which are one and the same.
What role? Well I don't know noticed the flow or chakra or whatever? Point is Tobi complimented him on the OBSERVATION and then added good eye to.
You can try to reason all you want. I have a BIJU claiming ON PANEL what those rods do to them. Then I have Kakashi stating how the control is done and then I have Tobi CONFIRMING IT (but yeah mocking for you).
There wouldn't be any flow of chakra or such, at least not with Obito, which is the issue.
We also have on panel, not only other examples showing differently, but Obito losing control too. Not to mention the whole "removing the rods to defeat them" situation, which doesn't work if they were being control by something else.
You have no examples showing diferently. Obito losing control is not relevant. He was controling with his eyes and could not do it good enough. Its no diferent then controling the Juubi and needing Hashirama's goo to enforce his control.
The "removing the rods to defeat them" comes from the fact that those BIJUS are attacked to the realms trough those rods. Remove the rods and the bijus are no longer bound to the realms. He can have all the control he feels like on those realms if there is nothing left there to control.
What do you mean "no examples showing differently"? What do you call every other time a Bijuu or such was controlled? In each and every one of those examples, the one being control lost all free will. They couldn't make decisions to even save their life. And there seem to be no counter to the control unless they were broken out by an external force. Here though, not only is control breakable on it's own, but the subjects clearly still has their free will and thoughts. And it's quite different, cause if he was controlling them with his eyes, he wouldn't enforce said control with his eyes...
And therein lies the point. His "control" was upon the Bijuus, which were slaves to the rods and weren't enslaved except by being bound.
This is getting boring. This is what a biju has to say about what those rods are for:
This is Kakashi stating how control is done and Tobi confirming it:
Now in case you don't get what that means it means that i don't care for what hypothesis you can create considering the manga stated exacly what is what.
The Chains are not there for control. The chains are there to tie the biju's up. That is not control. Tobi was telling the realms what to do and how to attack trough the power of his eyes. Now when a biju whent out of control he used the chains to tie it down.
Like when his eye control FAILS he used the chains to BIND IT DOWN.
This is so well covered in that exchange that i have no bloody clue how you can keep going on and on with this.
He lost control:
And so he was forced to use the chains.
The normal control he does and the bind with the chains are completly diferent things. Gues he was controling Naruto here just as well:
Last edited by xXan; May 10, 2013 at 01:37 AM.
Binding and negating their power is considered control, as shown with Mokuton, which pretty much does the same. And didn't we just establish that it was the Bijuus, not the Edo Jinchuuriki's that were being control? As repeatedly mentioned, the Bijuus weren't being control by the Sharingan because they were shown having free will and the ability to act against the controller, which isn't possible with the Sharingan's control.
The chains weren't used on Naruto nor did he have the rods in him to facilitate the usage of the chakra chains.