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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
One of those fundamental things that I just disagree on. I think the story before with 15 chapters devoted to Tobi should have been reduced to 2 or 3 and this story with the kage should have started months ago. It deserves its own time in the limelight regardless of how lame the war has been.Quote:
Last edited by badluckartist; February 27, 2013 at 05:26 PM.
I gotta say, I felt worse about Hashiramas little brother dying then I did when Neji was killed.
The way he stood there crying, holding up a kunai while surrounded, just heartbreaking.
I wish the story was always this dark, or at least on more occasions.
I really am enjoying the flashback so far, don't see how anyone can find them boring. Right now the past is more interesting than the war.
All I want to see now is Minato fighting again, because he's cool and has an interesting fighting style (compared to large scale super jutsu that dominate current fights) and Tobirama because we didn't really see him fight much.
Hashirama is covered in this flashback. Hiruzen could show more now that he's a zombie, without limitations of old age he had when he was alive. Come on Kishi, you at least have to give us that much.
This flashback shouldn't take more than 3 chapters. Anything more would be too much.
Oh - I have no disagreement on that point. The Tobi backstory was also interminable and drawn out. It should have been done in 1 chapter or two if you really wanted to lavish a lot of time on it. For it to have taken so long was a waste of time.Quote:
But while the Madara & Harashima chapters may be less painfully awful, I'm still wanting them to be over in 1 or 2 chapters. But hey - if I were the guy in charge then this manga would have cut out a whole bunch of stuff so what do I know? I'm a ruthless butcher when it comes to editing, and even things that others consider 'classics' I would often take a wholesale buzzsaw to. Even authors that I really like (such as Tolkien) sometimes drone on too long and would benefit from a good editing in order to keep the pacing brisk.
That's a fault of mine, perhaps. I must have tight, brisk editing or I am going to be flipping pages. Authors such as JK Rowling and Robert Jordan set my teeth on edge. I know there are readers that love it when a writer takes 100 pages to say almost nothing. I am not one of those people. And in a visual medium like a manga, bad pacing is all the more galling.
It's sad that people are actually more interest in the past and the older generation than what is current..It shows how bad this series is right now. Pretty please kish, make these flashbacks last a little longer..Anything but the current war right now...
Also, Itama had black and white hair. Attempt by Kishi to make him look as much like Tobirama and Hashirama's brother?
I'm not sure if their desire to get stronger for ideals would put them beyond Naruto or Sasuke. Sasuke wanted to get stronger for revenge, and look at how much he improved after hte timeskip. Naruto also wanted to get stronger to protect the ones he loved, and look at how many fights he's won. Hashi and Madara seemed to want to get stronger to protect their loved ones and to try and establish peace or find a way to.
But damn, Tobi wasn't kidding when he said the era was filled with constant strife and death. I don't remember even seeing that much death from the beginning of the manga to recent, and it's been said that about half the Allied Shinobi forces died.
Overall though, in terms of story quality this chapter's very good. Madara managed to get the rock to the shoreline when he was talking about wanting to establish peace and understanding. We also saw Itarama be one of the ones to suggest revenge, like Yahiko, while Tobirama was wanting peace through conduct. Hashirama was more like Nagato, he only sought to protect, not really making peace his top priority.
this chapter makes me wonder though... just how many shinobi did Hashirama kill? I think Madara must have killed countless, but Hashirama may have spared most of them unless they were too dangerous.
It seems after giving us some awful chapters in Tobi VS Naruto and for me personally, an overall unenjoyable to read war,
Kishi is going all out with explaining the whole Senju-Uchiha situation.
I totally don't mind him taking his time with this. This chapter he landed perfectly for me.
We have a huge understanding of Madara and Hashirama's personas already. Both have lost siblings, its just really done well.
I genuinely haven't enjoyed many chapters of Naruto since the war started so I'm being seriously genuine here.
We are in waiting to get Madara VS Hashirama, tons of Uchiha VS Senju, history on the wars between other clans that involved Senju and Uchiha,
These flashbacks > Simple fights with Naruto VS Tobi that just involve explosions and ultimate moves.
Also, Uchiha teamed up wiht another clan to take on the Senju. Further proof that Uchiha weren't as overpowered as people make them out to be.
Are Hashirama and Tobirama a year apart or different mothers/same dad or what? They're the same height. I somehow expected about a 15 year gap in their age to help salvage some of Kishimoto's lack of time perception.
Though that does raise the question as to how/why Tobirama became Hokage with Hashirama still alive and kicking, in fact Sarutobi became Hokage as a kid with both them apparently living
I've always had an issue with how Kishimoto portrays education in Konoha. Agendas and clan bias aside, you'd think more of the younger generations would know about their own kage's history...?
I wonder how much of this Itachi knew, since he was so interested in history.
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Although it certainly isn't out of the question that the Uchiha made an alliance with the Hogaromo for both reasons. In the mangastream translation it sounds as if the Hagaromo clan was engaging the Senju first, and then the Uchiha jumped on their bandwagon, which is why I'm inclined to believe this was a purchase of "military might". All speculation, though.
Hashirama, who raised his voice against this foolish Shinobi notion, would definitely like to erase those shameful marks from the history for the future generations.