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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
If he could, then he would have chosen to go intangible again instead of using Izanagi. Nothing states he can easily "reset" his limit, maybe there's a cooldown period. Maybe it's one or two seconds, and Konan fears that it could be enough for Tobi to survive the paper blasts.Quote:
Was Bee trying to dodge?Quote:
True, but who's to say Kakuzu doesn't have the jutsu? And if he knows about Deidara's ability, then he should be able to take out the bombs that are in the air with a big raiton jutsu. Can the mini bombs even get past Susano'o?
And if we're talking about the Sasori that was hidden inside his puppet with the scorpion tail, then the bakuton likely won't hurt him, especially when he's 99% puppet anyway.
Itachi can create a clone or two and Kakuzu can send a mask to attack Tobi. Though actually, I just remembered Deidara can use baku bunshin that's probably much better than Itachi's, and Kisame can use mizu bunshins as well, although there's a limit.
But Guy, kakashi, and Naruto could avoid damage from Tobi or being warped away. The key would be teamwork here. But, I can see Itachi taking out Kisame by following up his immobilizing genjutsu with Susano'o or Amaterasu. If Kisame or Deidara gets scratched by Sasori even ocne, then they're dead. Kakuzu also has powerhouse jutsu under his belt as well that he can combine. He can use a high level doton against KIsame's suiton, powerful raiton to counter Deidara's doton and bakuton, and he provide fuuton to enhance Itachi's katon.Quote:
Sure they can trow jutsus... Tobi used chakra chains and activated Izanagi when intangible. He was using PEIN (jutsu) and controling the beasts with the power of his eyes when intangible...Quote:
Tobi CAN use jutsus when intangible but he does not do it as that would ruin Kishi's fights...
Hell he showed the ability to WARP when having part of his body INTANGIBLE:
Heah... Half way under the rock but he can warp...
The only thing keeping Tobi from owning faces is the plot. That does not have influence here.
You probably missed the most important factor of said tech... The simple fact that it was a continous attack that had no delay. It was 1 big continous explosion for 10 minutes. He did not had the time to go tangible/intangible and not get hit. Its like he was standing in fire.Quote:
His delay from reseting his intangibility is as he would have it when he would turn tangible and then intangible as under normal circumstances. The only thing is he can't stay intangible for more then 5 minutes... That is it.
That is about it. You need to keep him intangible for 5 minutes and then he is dead. If you allow him a split second time gap then you just wasted your time.
Bee did not had the time. Look how big and fast this crip was:Quote:
You don't get to dodge an ocean opening in your face...
Last edited by xXan; February 27, 2013 at 10:16 AM.
You've been here far too long to attempt to grant Kakuzu jutsus he hasn't shown. His raiton attack would have to cover the entire battlefield to effectively deactivate each of Deidara's bombs. And he would also have to complete this task before the bombs surround his teammates, unless he intends to shock his teammates, and himself, to pieces to handle the bombs.Quote:
I'm not sure of the resistance against his other bombs, but Deidara's C4 would infiltrate every crack and crevice and annihilate Sasori.Quote:
They were able to accomplish because they were facing an outnumbered Obito attempting to summon the Juubi. Naruto and Guy are faster than anything this team has to offer. And Obito is there to stop Itachi from utilising the plan you're suggesting. And everyone seems to forget that Obito is an accomplished MS user, he is probably more likely to trap Kakuzu and Sasori than Itachi is to trap Deidara and Kisame; particularly considering Kisame and Deidara's history and complete awareness of the extent of Itachi's genjutsu. And Kakuzu can combine elements to each of his hearts' content, but if he can't touch them it's not going to matter. And as an aside, I'd just like to point out that Kakuzu's doton isn't capable of touching Kisame's suiton. Two entirely different levels.Quote:
Sasori and Kakuzu are both monsters at ranged combat. I said it before and I'll say it again, the individual skill of each combatant in Sasori's team is greater than that of Obito's team. If Obito's out or separated from them, the battle is over regardless of it being ranged or close combat.
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I couldn't comprehend it because it's nonsense. Even though his brain is moved, his body functions the same way regardless. All his five senses are perfectly fine, that should be enough. Even if he moves his brain away, he would still be looking at Itachi's eyes and will still fall in Genjutsu. Where your Brain is doesn't matter as long as he still has all his body functioning the same way. You can keep this weird baseless concept away from this argument unless there is a proof behind it, you should know by now how I argue.
Constant contact with them ? Please, do explain how he can keep constant contact with them. And even if they are intangible, they will still fall for Genjutsu.
Last edited by KingOfNight; February 28, 2013 at 03:25 AM.
'If Obito is separated from them', how is that going to happen? How is that going to be accomplished? And Kakuzu and Sasori's ranged combat pales in comparison to Deidara's in both range and pure power. And you're underestimating Obito's team. Obito is one of the most dangerous individuals within the manga. He would be favoured against any of these combatants. Kisame is superior to both Kakuzu and Sasori, and Deidara's pure destructive power is only matched by Nagato within Akatsuki. Obito's team is clearly the winner.
I don't even know where to begin. Well, look here. Sasori is stronger than Deidara and possibly Kisame. Itachi is stronger than all of them, including Obito. Kisame can't beat Sasori but maybe (just maybe) win against Kakuzu. Just because they were the last four to fight, doesn't make them the strongest four. Nagato and Itachi are the strongest two, the others are about equal with some superior to others.
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Who cares what they would do with no Obito? In case you did not notice he is in this fight.Quote:
This just proves you have no bloody clue how genjutsu works. Its not looking in his eyes (just that) that get's you inside a genjutsu. The person who cast genjutsu has to extend his chakra flow trough your nervous system and thus effecting your 5 senses. He does not effect you 5 senses to effect your brain ffs... Its the other way around... Effect the brain to effect your 5 senses.Quote:
Now unless you belive you can argue that Itachi can extend his chakra flow accross dimensions he can't cast genjutsu on them...
Are you serious? Nobody moves away from Tobi and they move as a unit. Think of JMan and the frogs on his shoulders with the exception of Tobi standing between them with his hands on them. Hell he can even make them "fly" trough solid ground.Quote:
Itachi can perform his genjutsu's without the others looking into his eyes, as stated by him to Naruto when he just used his finger. So even if the others are intangible they'll still get caught in the genjutsu and most probably stunned. After that kakuzu just spams his masks' elemental attacks until the intangibility wares off then boom. Itachi can't use 3 simultaneous tskyomi's so he'll most likely use it on Obito to neutralize him. Also Itachi would never give Deirdeda the chance to use his c4 or explosive dust, he's just too quick. Kisame is big and slow so Sasori could also neutralize him with posions, probably not kill him but stun him enough for kakuza or itachi to make the killing blow. And don't forget Itachi has susano, izanami, and izanagi. The real battle is between Itachi and Obito, after all the only person that can kill an Uchiha is another Uchiha right?
This is the basic Genjutsu. Tsukuyomi only requires an eye contact (at least only that was said). So unless you bring me an actual source stating that he can't trap people away from him or something of that nature, then Obito can be caught in Genjutsu (as long as he's looking and having his nervous system working.)Quote:
Jman had the frogs attached to him. Are saying they will run, jump, evade and attacking while simply holding each other ? Or that their hearts are so well connected they will move in a perfect sync with each other ? Are you joking ?Quote:
And as an aside, it seems as though everyone forgets that Obito is an MS user. He is capable as a genjutsu user. As I've said multiple times before, Obito is far more likely to capture Kakuzu and Sasori within genjutsu than Itachi is to trap Obito, Kisame, or Deidara.
Did Obito demonstrate any level of Genjutsu ? Let alone a level that can surpass Itachi's. No he's not likely to capture them in something he has yet to even show.
Are you serious, or are you just posting for the sake of posting? Obito manipulated Yagura, and Konan, and he also trapped both Fu and Torune. So yes he has demonstrated genjutsu. Maybe you should reconsider and sort out your arguments.Quote:
As far as Sasori and Kisame goes its not really a fight. Kisame makes water dome(which is near instant. It took like one panel to make) and the fight ends. Kisame beats 98% of the characters in the manga after they are caught in that jutsu.Quote:
Basically Sasori don't give a f*** about C4. He only have heart, so he can't breath in those tiny bombs. He wouldn't drown, and if he would use Third's Iron Sand jutsu ( http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/270/10 ) and Kisame would dodge it somehow hi will be swimming in poisonous water. and we all know this would paralysed him.
As far as we have seen Obito can't use Genjutsu ( or am I just missing panels with this ? ) And af long as he holds his team integrable they can't do anything.
For all of You who say it would start with team Obito go to integrable mode, I say this battle would start with Tsukoyomi on Obito, and this would be game over.
This would be very close fight, but Deidara would die from either Amaterau, Shuriken Jutsu, Kakuzu's mask or just scratch by Sasori's needle barrage ( http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/265/13 ) Kisame is to slow to deal with any of them, and his only way to do something would be water dome. As far, Obito is only person that could be problematic, but he can't teleport anyone to his dimension, because it would be game over for him. And One more thing, We have Genius Itachi, ~100 Years old Kakuzu and ~40(?) Sasori, they have tons of experience.