Naruto 623 Discussion / 624 Predictions

[Invader]

And really is he still alive or dose he need to do the rituals to keep the immortality

The fanboi in me hopes that he could still come back some day. When Ino/Shika/Cho confronted Kakuzu again, it was suggested that Hidan was still alive or he would have been resurrected as an Edo Tensei. However, that is just a hint and could be totally false. Quite frankly, once the war wraps up, the Jubi is beaten, the whole Madara/Hirashima thing is resolved, and after Naruto & Sauske have their final fight? I really don't see any room in the story left for wrapping up a loose end like Hidan's ultimate fate - much like Yamato, Kabuto, Samui, and many other little details.

But I'll tell you what !I! would do with Hidan if I was the guy with the pen...

I'd have some random farmer or traveler accidentally stumble across Hidan's head. Hidan would convince him to take him somewhere, and he'd end up starting a Jashin 'cult'. His body would be long gone, but he'd be quite insane (more so than normal) after spending months buried bodyless, and would have obsessed on revenge in Konoha, and Shikamaru's clan in particular. So rather than being an artless, reckless physical attacker - Hidan would very much be in the role of having to be quite literally nothing but a mastermind.

So after the war is over, members of the Nara clan in Konoha would suddenly start dropping dead. No one can figure out what is going on. After some sleuthing, Shikamaru figures out that the only thing they all have in common is that they have donated blood to the Konoha hospital. He starts tracking the blood, and they find that some members of an outlying village have been stealing bags of blood and various body parts. They infiltrate the village and see that it has become a cult-like atmosphere with everyone congregating at a shrine with the Jashin symbols. Shikamaru realizes what is going on and jumps in, but the cult has set numerous traps, and he is captured.

Shikamaru is brought to the head of the cult (the villager who found Hidan's head) and there is some intrigue, torture, and smack-talking. Eventually Shikamaru escapes and fights his way to the shrine to find Hidan's head there, hooked up to a huge vat of Konoha's blood. Hidan laughs and brags that any attempt to harm him will end up killing half the citizens of Konoha, including Shikamaru himself.

The arc would culminate with Hidan's rebirth into a new body, and a fight with Shikamaru where his scythe and all its tricks and traps get showcased (a detail that was passed by in the manga). He is a lot more cagey, and tactical this time around. For example, Hidan has surrounded the ENTIRE village with a Jashin symbol in the ground so he is 'inside the symbol' wherever he goes, and for a while this totally baffles Shikamaru who cant' figure out how Hidan is activating his jutsu when there isn't a symbol (turns out there is, it was just too big to see).

I think it would be a really fun story. But - alas - there's probably no chance of ever seeing Hidan in action again.

[M3J]

Okay, we get the point. No need to continue bringing up Bleach discussion having more posts. Plus, it's about quality, not quantity. Not to mention, the previous chapters have shown nothing that's worthy of much discussion, other than Hashirama's hairstyle.

[zerocooldx]

This whole flashback stuff is pretty poor, which echos what many other members have already stated, it is devaluing Madara as a character, and the most hyped villain of the series. Plus I don't really understand how someone can do such a u-turn in ideology!

The point of the flashback is to give context to how Madara came to be the Madara that was feared by 99.9% of all shinobi. Its the evolution of a character into a villain. It would be incredibly shitty writing if someone was just "born" evil and thats just how they were "naturally made" end of story. Thats usually not how things work. Even villains have events in their lives that impact and change them which causes them to travel down a certain path that eventually leads them to being labeled as criminals, villains etc.

The best villains around are ones that have multiple layers to their character and actually stand for something other then just opposing the hero. Thats why Nagato was the worst excuse for a villain that i've ever seen and thus he did a 180 in the blink of an eye. True villains don't change who they are because they believe in their ideology/philosophy just as much as the hero believes in his. We already saw Kishi set this up when he had Shikaku tell Naruto that Madara isn't a man that can be reasoned with and converted into a member of the Church of Naruto via Talk-no-Jutsu.

[mattiaildivino]

The point of the flashback is to give context to how Madara came to be the Madara that was feared by 99.9% of all shinobi. Its the evolution of a character into a villain. It would be incredibly shitty writing if someone was just "born" evil and thats just how they were "naturally made" end of story. Thats usually not how things work. Even villains have events in their lives that impact and change them which causes them to travel down a certain path that eventually leads them to being labeled as criminals, villains etc.

The best villains around are ones that have multiple layers to their character and actually stand for something other then just opposing the hero. Thats why Nagato was the worst excuse for a villain that i've ever seen and thus he did a 180 in the blink of an eye. True villains don't change who they are because they believe in their ideology/philosophy just as much as the hero believes in his. We already saw Kishi set this up when he had Shikaku tell Naruto that Madara isn't a man that can be reasoned with and converted into a member of the Church of Naruto via Talk-no-Jutsu.

imo,it's also a way to show us what had to be shown,as a lot of things had been mentioned but never developed. The main point was the fight between hashi and madara,and how they were brought to that fight. But this will also be a way to reveal about their parents,to show how hashi died and how madara survived.

[CloudStrife]

...so Boring No New Chap. & the Anime is Filler


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Madara vs The Five Kage Full Fight English Dub.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nXmAl6fY94

[badluckartist]

The arc would culminate with Hidan's rebirth into a new body, and a fight with Shikamaru where his scythe and all its tricks and traps get showcased (a detail that was passed by in the manga). He is a lot more cagey, and tactical this time around. For example, Hidan has surrounded the ENTIRE village with a Jashin symbol in the ground so he is 'inside the symbol' wherever he goes, and for a while this totally baffles Shikamaru who cant' figure out how Hidan is activating his jutsu when there isn't a symbol (turns out there is, it was just too big to see).

Sounds like a certain alchemy-based series I know and love xD For real though, I wish Kishi would have at least played around with whatever he was planning for Hidan's scythe. I read in an interview somewhere was disappointed he didn't have time to get into that.

[Senju]

so im guessing there wont even be a little spoiler for the upcoming chapter?

[Bill the Cat]

so im guessing there wont even be a little spoiler for the upcoming chapter?

If the next chapter is as uneventful as the last, will it really matter?

[marshall313]

This thread is boring as hell. Yea, madara and hashirama can't defeat minato as the most popular character in naruto. When minato is gonna appear in a chapter, you can feel the excitement and how this thread would be kicking again with minato's fans and haterz.

It's kinda off topic. But damn, I never thought hashirama and madara's FBs was boring.

[badluckartist]

This thread is boring as hell. Yea, madara and hashirama can't defeat minato as the most popular character in naruto. When minato is gonna appear in a chapter, you can feel the excitement and how this thread would be kicking again with minato's fans and haterz.

It's kinda off topic. But damn, I never thought hashirama and madara's FBs was boring.

People keep hating on this flashback, but I think they just don't get it. This is one of those uncommon times that you simply can't judge the merits of the story based on what you've seen, and you need to let it evolve until its done. It'll probably be much easier to digest when you can read every part of it back to back. Unlike the war arc proper, which is downright unsalvageable by this point.

[ninjabot]

The only reason the person you quoted is hating on the flashback is because Minato wasn't mentioned.

You didn't find it the least bit odd that he's complaining about Minato being more powerful than both Madara and Hashirama out of the blue for no reason whatsoever? I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason ANYONE is pissed about the flashbacks is because we're not seeing our favorite characters. I'm cool with it because the whole point of it is leading up to Sasuke's eventual epiphany that makes him full on avenger or sets him down the path of redemption. We also get to learn more about what makes Hashirama and Madara so powerful (because if there's one thing I hate more than Naruto, it's using hype to justify a character's strength).

[EMS]

It's hard to discuss about a chapter when the story is about the friendship of two young boys and the flashback isn't quiet boring , what's boring is waiting two week 4 next chapter and one piece and bleach are doing the same shit also..

[Xiraiya]

The only reason the person you quoted is hating on the flashback is because Minato wasn't mentioned.

You didn't find it the least bit odd that he's complaining about Minato being more powerful than both Madara and Hashirama out of the blue for no reason whatsoever? I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason ANYONE is pissed about the flashbacks is because we're not seeing our favorite characters. I'm cool with it because the whole point of it is leading up to Sasuke's eventual epiphany that makes him full on avenger or sets him down the path of redemption. We also get to learn more about what makes Hashirama and Madara so powerful (because if there's one thing I hate more than Naruto, it's using hype to justify a character's strength).

They hate on it because of Minato, you love it because of Sasuke, I fail to see the difference if the tables had been turned.

In any case, the flashback is important in general, partly for Sasuke, partly for the readers, especially with clarifying the real purpose of the Ninja system, the ideals the conceived it and the events that made Madara what he is now. I really have no issue with Kishi hyping Madara and Hashirama, both are great characters and all of the Hokage have been ridiculously strong in their own ways.

[Dattebayo!]

Personally I believe the flashback in this case is very very much needed and a massivley welcome break from the current ninja war which is dragging on, the main reason being that we will have *some* reason for Sasuke being such an annoying emo - atleast if we have some history on things (which is also good) and it gives us the reasons for sasukes future activities then its better than being led down a blind path of him just being pissed off in general and lashing out at everyone.

Plus, lets face it... we have had the re-introduction of Orochimaru (about time) and we have seen some epic action from Hashirama/Madara/Tobirama... I loved seeing Tobirama putting manners on the people "demanding" answers by just upping his chakra, then how Hashirama showed why he is the man by kicking his brother right in to touch with just a hint that he dont want to have him getting pissed off.

All in all the flashback is better than the ninja war to me and seems to have a little bit of the magic which the earlier Naruto chapters held, its back to the Naruto I missed for so long.

[Zan2pacto]

ive got it guys. i have the answer:

the reason hashirama and madara are so powerful is that they are eachother's rivals. We are going to see something where if a senju and an uchiha become rivals and train against eachother they unlock some hidden sage power.

Thus, naruto will have to fight against sasuke. Sasuke will realize his role as naruto's rival and they will strive for greater power. only when the uchiha and senju are in balance with big power fighters like hashirama/madara and now naruto/sasuke - only then will there be peace in the narutoverse.

Basically its like nukes - what the tailed beasts were supposed to be. Once the uchiha and senju both have their uber-boss fully powered up to hashirama/madara level, there will be mutually assured destruction and thus peace.