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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
It doesn't affect their occular powers in their lifetime but the eye doesn't die when the body does. The seal acts as a way to seal the eyes so no one else can use them. There is no reason to believe it couldn't be used to seal them while they were alive but there would be no point to that as the seal itself can be activated to kill a Branch Member at any given moment.
The point is, if the Hyuuga's can create a seal to seal the eyes, then the Uzumaki's, who are the best sealers ever, should certainly be able to.
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If there were more Uchiha who obtained EMS we would have heard about them. And even if we didn't hear about them, we would have seen their eyes either via Obito or Danzou.
Hell, if they had EMS they would have been extremely powerful, and if alive, I find it hard to believe they would have gotten offed by Itachi or Obito during the massacre.
And if they died before that, why weren't they revived by Kabuto with Edo Tensei? He was able to attain both Itachi and Madara's DNA, why wouldn't he be able to get another EMS users?
QUOTE=Rikudou King;3334482]Don't forget, the Bijuus were specifically created by the Rikudou Sennin from the Juubi's raw chakra. He was the one who granted them consciousness and intelligences. And believing in power to bring peace doesn't mean he wasn't a loving person. That's basically how the current villages and clans are, ruled over by the strongest. "Ruling through love" is a pretty complicated concept, and the series is going the way to have it that only Naruto is destined to bring that about. It's unknown at the moment whether the Rikudou Sennin naturally had the Rinnegan or gained it after he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, and so far it appears as if the son had some variation of EMS/MS, which later downgraded to the Sharingan as time went on.
Was it mentioned that the Juubi's chakra was raw with no consciousness? I know he divided the Juubi chakra into 9 parts but that isn't creating them. Its creation by division which means that nothing was added to the whole. He took what was there and made them less then the original. Was it stated specifically that he gave each of them consciousness or did they have it because even though the were less then the Juubi, they were like the Juubi?
As for the the other point is it safe to assume that both sons were both powerful and loving? If that's the case then the statement that one son emphasized power and the other love means that the older son choose to use power over love. The older son made decisions which sacrificed love at the expense of power and force. The consequences of his decisions led him towards Sharingan activation and the emotional toll those decisions took on him caused what I'll call the "Juubi curse" since I still believe that the Juubi is not mindless but is playing a part in everything. If the Juubi does have a consciousness it would be located in the body. Notice how everyone who linked with the statue(mind) was an antagonist through the series. Except Itachi of course because he loved Sasuke. If love is what you emphasize in life then the statue can't affect you.
About their strength, I would say look at Sasuke. While Sasuke is quite strong, even upon gaining MS and EMS, he wasn't exactly mowing over the opposition withe ease and he had the benefit of Susanoo that most wouldn't have had. Same with Kakashi and Danzo. And Izanagi is far more Hax then MS/EMS is and is available to any Sharingan user, and they still got wiped out. And as for Kabuto, one would also ask why he didn't revive Izuna or Fugaku or any Uchiha, whether they had EMS or not.
As for why Kabuto didn't revive them, who knows. Likely because he didn't have access to their remains. Fact remains that none of these Uchiha have been mentioned. None were mentioned when Itachi spoke of EMS, only Madara. If others had achieved this power, don't you think Sasuke would have heard about it before fighting Itachi? Sasuke does have a decent sense of history and the world, I doubt he'd let something about his own clan like pass him by.
Itachi only spoke of Madara because Madara was the only one pertinent to the discussion. And Sasuke wasn't even aware of the clan's founder Madara before Itachi spoke to him. He didn't seem to know any of his clan's history or the history of their techniques.
That is not the point I was endeavouring to make. If the eye remains unaffected in life-time, and is only sealed in death; how is that a loss? If Uzumaki clan had such seals, perhaps Tobirama could have employed them on Uchiha clan to keep them in check as he deemed them unfit or rebellious on accounts of the whole 'emotional baggage' rubbish he came up with. He never resorted to such a method or even mentioned it means that Uzumaki Clan had no such sealing techs on them, and if Uchiha clan are able to unseal it - provided the original Uzumaki Scroll was with Orochimaru - through their tablet, slants the argument of superior blood-line in their favour.
Just an observation on my part.
As for the Tobirama comment, do you honestly think the Uchiha clan would allow themselves to be deprived of their birthright? It's one thing to seal emotions, it's another thing to see the use of one's Kekkai Genkai. Tobirama would of had a riot on his hands if he tried to pull that.
The Uzumaki's are the greatest sealing user's in the manga. If the Hyuuga clan is capable of sealing a Doujutsu, I see no reason why the Uzumaki's couldn't do the same, none whatsoever. Does it mean they did it? No, but to say they aren't capable seems to be a little off if you ask me.
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MS awakens all sorts of powers from S/T jutsu, to amazing genjutsu, and crazy ninjutsu. Unless those Uchiha awakened it and died shortly after, they would become pretty well known I would think.
Which is the key point. We know there was more MS users, enough to establish Susanoo being a rarity among them, yet we haven't heard of them. Same reasoning would apply to EMS. The fact remains that without other successes, there wouldn't be any reason to believe that exchanging eyes would grant EMS, since it would mean that everyone else who attempted the brotherly exchange failed despite knowing the method. That would mean Itachi and Obito took a huge gamble hoping that Sasuke would actually gain EMS. That doesn't seem very likely of either of them, meaning they had to have proof it would have worked. But fine, let's just agree to disagree.
Tobirama could have always tricked the individuals, he did so with his 'Police Force' Facade to corner an entire clan. After all, only Uzumaki clan would know the seal's purpose and Tobirama's motives in turn. Who would reveal the seal's actual workings? Those could have been enforced in a number of different ways; sign of loyalty, Konoha's defense to seal the eye permanently after death, if the Sharingan-user died in battle in a similar manner as the Hyuuga clan employed etc?
Again, this is mere Speculation. Hyuga Clan never managed to seal the doujutsu in the life-time. If Tobirama had something on him, he could have mentioned it at least, forget its actual implementation which again would be assumptions at my end as far as its usage is concerned.