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Do you think the Riful doll will get more fuel ?(the destroyer maybe)....or maybe the riful doll will eat Cassandra and gain some power that way? she shows no fear nor dose she seem concerned...so i dont think we have seen all of her yet....plus Dae is only guessing about prissy so he could be wrong.....wonder what dae will do once he finds out about the half awakened warriors being so close by.
Dont you think there has to be something about Cynthia , yuma and tabitha....they have survived just as long as the H/A or are they just proof that if given enough time any warrior can become strong...I.E. Yuma going from n40ish to "a single digit"
My point was this: it would be fine if her whole body had awakened, but only her head did. I guess it's possible, even as small as it is, to contain all her power, though it's somewhat odd.
But in addition to that, it didn't look like she was giving off massive amounts of yoki when shifting to her awakened form, the way other powerful ABs do. That's what had me wondering.
Indeed only her head awakened, and it seems what we see now is the body she has as an AB. It would be cool if she could awaken the rest of her body separately. If it still lives, that is.Quote:
I would like that very much, and it's certainly plausible going by what we saw. Even Clare apparently couldn't detect her. But somehow I doubt Yagi is going to do anything like that. He seems determined to get rid of all ABs, and giving her an ability like that makes her tough to deal with.Quote:
Mostly though, I have no hopes about her. Haven't forgotten the treatment the last three Abyssal Ones got.
Right now, I'm not really concerned about if she will get more powerful.
What I'm concerned about is if Yagi will tell us what the hell she is and where she came from before he kills her off or something...
Got me really worried here, it's been literally three to four chapters and we still have any slight idea about that "thing", other than resorting to calling it a "Riful-doll".
As for getting more fuel, not really sure how the Riful-doll could eat Cassandra...I mean, the Riful-doll's mouth is about the size of a human's mouth, give or take.
How exactly do you fit some Eiffel Tower into a mouth that tiny?
Though Yagi's making everyone bent on Priscilla ending up winning this fight (as always), do you really believe something will happen otherwise?
As for the Riful-doll having a stubborn personality and confidence, it's similar to that of Clare's obsession towards Priscilla.
Both don't really care about anything other than killing their enemies, as Riful-doll stated, "I hate you!"
However, I don't believe Riful-doll will get any "more" energy.
Whatever Dae is saying about Riful-doll running out of energy seems pretty intact; there have been a case where all three original Abyssal Ones ran out of Yoki energy, despite their superior Yoki reserves; Luciela when running away from Isley during their fight, Isley when fighting the Abyssal Eaters, and Riful who couldn't even regenerate while fighting Priscilla.
Isn't it quite ironic all three AOs suffer that fate?
Or it could be even purposeful, setting up the stage for Riful-doll's impending doom.
So Poor Europa's going to get eaten by Cassandra? D= /tear
On a more serious note, it seems like Europa's full body will end up much, much larger.
Right now, Europa's head, in comparison to the Claymores, is slightly larger than an overgrown elephant.
Seeing as most ABs we've seen all have their head being relatively smaller their than bodies, I think we're seeing another Cassandra-sized being here.
I also was curious about the Awakening process regarding huge ABs like Isley and Cassandra.
I'm sure they don't just go magical-cloud POOF and end up a few hundred times larger in a split second.
It seems like they undergo a disgusting enlargement, in extremely weird proportions, and then end up like the form they're in.
Although with Priscilla, it seems like she just gets some buff muscles (anime).
Riful-Doll looks done for. Maybe she knows it, and so has decided to go down still smiling and fighting. I doubt she would have it any other way.
As for getting more fuel, she has run out of options, unless the Destroyer is still alive, but you never know. Even if it were possible for her to absorb it, I don't see Yagi going down that route, and Priscilla most likely wouldn't allow it.
As for Cynthia and the others, I would say they had a high potential to begin with. Who knows, Yagi could surprise us with a revelation about them.
But they don't grow as fast as the Half-Awakened. I don't get the impression that any of them is higher than number 5. Cynthia should be stronger, but she doesn't look it.
Don't get your hopes up There is a chance Europa might end up like we are speculating, but honestly though, I doubt Yagi will give her that chance.
like i said before Yuma is the one who needs explained how can 7 years of training take you from "n40ish" to "a single digit" but then again she is a different type of warrior as i believe Yuma,Cynthia and tabitha are all Defensive types so you cant really compare them to attackers.
And i dont think all the awakened beings are done for , i am quite confadant that Octavia, Chronos(lars is iffy), and Europa will survive and will flee or help confront prissy.....i dont think yagi would kill Octavia and Chronos off because they are like the warriors "connection" to the Awakened beings......but knowing yagi i could see Lars and Europa being killed by prissy(i would love for Europa to fake even that death) lol
I believe that Yuma, Cynthia, and Tabitha have all gotten pretty strong, just not in terms of offensive strong.
They were all defensive warriors to begin with, so we cannot really measure their improvement with offensive fighting ability.
However, through their training, they've actually all gotten pretty superior in their Yoki sensing, healing ability, and Yoki synchronization.
Although in terms of digit, they probably aren't in anywhere beyond the number five caliber, they are sure to achieve some single digit level (5-9).
And the seven years of training was more arduous and developmental than you think.
I think it's actually quite reasonable that Yuma went from a number forty-something to a lower single digit from those seven years.
The reason behind Deneve being more powerful than Cynthia is not only because she was a half-awakened, but because she sort of started picking up a more offensive type of warrior personality and fighting style after Undine's death (her double Claymore style).
From that, she is now a defensive and decent offensive type warrior.
Also, I'm ashamed to say this, but I wrote Deneve as a he because of that haircut she has and her personality.
i am iffy about helens extendable limbs(and the fact that she can apparently shoot her arms at a speed thats just as fast as the projectiles shot by the AO Hysteria ? who was the fastest warrior in history.(although i guess Teresa could have been faster...and Roxanne had no problem keeping up with there fight(Miriavshysteria)
I hope Yuma and the others get there time to shine as they failed at there task of reaching cassandra.
And what is the chance that the other warriors at the Org will show up? or do you think they will show up after everything is done(maybe they all show up saying the Org has returned to staff )
Her speed stat was, without question, at least S rank, due to her Elegance ability.
However, her awakened form seemed to be completely based on speed.
She got pierced and destroyed easily by one of Cassandra's necks...suggesting that she had a crappy Invulnerability rating.
At least her Yoki should be decent (at least A?).
I honestly feel like Hysteria was a fodder number 1.
The only excuse for her killing so many at Rockwell was her speed.
Why? Because that's all that she was remembered for; The number one, Hysteria, moved so fast that no one was able to match up to her.
So, to give a little overview of Hysteria's stats, my idea would be;
Why leadership as terrible?
Because, based on her personality of refusing to be slayed and sending a Black Card simply because she didn't want an "inferior" lower ranked Claymore to kill her leads me to infer that she was a pretty bossy leader.
Why her strength? Because it seems like she was only remembered for her speed.
Although that poses a badly supported argument about her strength, this is just personal thought.
What about the idea of Teresa being faster than Hysteria?
Well, I honestly don't think so.
Remember that when Irene was talking to Noah and Sophia, she stated that, individually, her own swordsmanship, Noah's speed, or Sophia's strength, was superior to that of Teresa's.
And Noah's speed stat was only A+, whereas Teresa's speed stat was A.
With Hysteria being a number one that is ESPECIALLY known for her speed, it is safe to assume Hysteria's speed is higher than A+, or that of Noah's, thus having her being faster than Teresa.
However, we have a different argument here.
Irene stated that Teresa's sole special ability of unparalleled Yoki Perception (not her enormous Yoki, since Irene was not even aware of Teresa having THAT much Yoki; she underestimated her; originally she understood that Teresa, being a number one, should have huge Yoki, but never that much) allowed her to counter and become superior than all three of those superior abilities placed against her.
And remember, this is just Yoki Perception.
We also know that Yoki alone has the ability to boost all the other stats.
So in a fair argument, I'm 100% sure with that already S rank Yoki status Teresa has, she would be able to surpass Hysteria's speed if BOTH Awakened.
However, without using Yoki at all, Hysteria could be faster than Teresa in terms of base speed.
Yet then we have some ambiguity here.
Is Hysteria's speed entirely as a result of her Elegance ability?
In other words, without Elegance, would Hysteria really be that fast?
Or is Elegance simply taking advantage of her already base S speed that we have given her, and her speed stat does not regard her Elegance ability.
I think that Hysteria would still be really fast, but not as fast, without Elegance.
Elegance seems to give a little boost to Hysteria's speed ranking, working off of it.
But in a battle without Yoki, it would make sense that Elegance couldn't be used.
So Hysteria's speed actually decreases a bit.
But if we argue the other way, that Elegance does not assist her in speed, then yes, she should be able to defeat Teresa in a no-Yoki battle.
However, does Teresa's Yoki Sensing require releasing Yoki?
If yes, then we know Teresa will lose for sure; she's already inferior in the speed aspect.
If no, then Teresa will be able to see the attack coming before it is executed.
So now we believe that speed won't matter at all, since Teresa can predict the future.
If this all comes down that way, then it's really based off of whether Hysteria's execution speed will be faster than Teresa's brain->muscle processing speed, which is quite unlikely, since brain->muscle is occurring in Hysteria's own attack while she attacks.
Another interesting thing would be having AB Priscilla's speed VS Hysteria.
We know AB Priscilla's speed, or at least reaction speed is incredibly good.
(During her battle against Isley in his human form, she was able to catch his arrows and snap them. Isley remarks that she was the first to ever do that. So this suggests Priscilla has amazing speed AND strength.)
Clare says that to beat Priscilla you would need speed and technique, since that's what Priscilla does not dominate in.
However, we know Priscilla was able to easily see Helen's arm extend attack and grab it.
It's a pity that we didn't see Priscilla VS Hysteria.
Perhaps Hysteria would've been able to beat Priscilla, since as Clare said, you would need Speed (Hysteria's natural speed) and Technique (Elegance or her AB make-a-chunk-in-opponent attack thingy) to beat her, and Yagi tried to avoid another illogical plot hole.
But that's too much digression.
As for the other Claymores arriving, I honestly doubt it.
What's most likely to happen in my mind;
We finally see something happen to the Destroyer. Last time we checked, we just left it there in the middle of nowhere. Does not really make any sense for it to be there, and it honestly was never alive in the first place...so....
Something about the Mainland happens, something about DoD happens; why? Because that was the whole main plot of the story until Yagi started digressing like mad.
To be honest, I have no idea what to expect now. Some fifty chapters ago, we were in the perfect Claymore world, all organized and all.
And now we're in....just....CHAOS.
We have AO-level stuff coming out of nowhere that we still have no freaking idea about it's origins.
And Yagi just keeps throwing more bizarre stuff in without working the earlier problems out...(WHO WHAT WHEN WHERE WHY IS THE RIFULDOLLL FML)
I honestly feel like if I were a townsfolk, I would enjoy the Org's days more than the current state of the world.
Some things are hard to follow, how strong are Miria and Clare?
Clare beat Rigardo (missing an arm, awakened) and he was number 2 back then. Yet they had 7 years to practice... I forgot in which chapter, but it said Miria would win a 1v1 against Clare. Does that mean Clare and Miria are both stronger than any AB still alive (Chronos, Lars, Octavia, maybe Europa and I forgot who the fifth is)? Miria seemed to be impressed by the power of the surviving AB for some reason, stating they are the 5 strongest survivors, as if it was a big deal for her.
If Miria is stronger than Clare and Clare beat Rigardo, while they both had 7+ years of training, it took that many years for Clare to equal Irene's quick sword. Why is Miria so surprised to see how strong the surviving AB are? Why did Miria have such a big problem with Hysteria? Shouldn't Miria be close to a #1 if not a #1 right now? Even without them being awakened, why are Miria and Clare not able to put a fight against an AO? Why couldn't they just take on Cassandra without Lars and Chronos?
I started reading claymore like a month ago, I love it, but I am a bit confused at times.
Last edited by MasterBash; April 07, 2013 at 09:09 PM.
No idea HOW she did it, but she was pretty lucky.
Actually, it IS suggested she did it because of her half-awakening status.
As suggested, Miria and Clare are around number 2 Claymore level status.
They are not yet as strong as number 1s.
Rigaldo was...a rather weaker number 2 AB. Dauf, who was number 3, awakened to be a much more powerful AB.
As for Miria VS Clare, it was Deneve who said Miria would win.
Why? Because scientifically, Miria had better stats in all the categories VS Clare.
But Clare had unexpected bursts of extreme power, sort of like Priscilla, which could enable her to overpower Miria.
However, since those surges of power are unexpected, they could not be relied on in a logical battle, so Miria would win.
Miria does not actually want to say how strong the AB are.
It is forced through her personality by Yagi, who wants SOMEONE to at least put it out that these AB are top tier AB, and they are going to be strong.
And it ends up being Miria.
Yagi also wanted a level of respect to be established for the AB, and that just happens to be Miria.
Miria had a huge problem with Hysteria because Hysteria is essentially top number 1 AO material in terms of speed.
No one in the whole Claymore world could match up to Hysteria's speed, with the possible exception of Priscilla.
Miria and Clare couldn't fight an AO since AOs are extremely powerful. (Even Teresa would have trouble with AOs, but she would defeat them.)
And they wouldn't be able to inflict as much damage on Cassandra without the ABs. To the mountain of Cassandra, Miria and Clare are "flies".
I'm not sure, but I think Brother Coa means that if the Org were around, given the warriors available to them, they would assign Clare or Miria (probably Clare) no. 1. I agree with this, but would qualify it by saying it would clearly be the weakest generation, because the Org is basically decimated. Miata would be a dark horse for no1 in the future as well.
The thing is we don't really know how powerful Clare really is now, I mean think about it she has Irene's quick sword " same power level and speed finally", Rafaelas memories which essentially means she has her life experiences. Along with her technique we have just now seen how much she has improved and you can't really call the battles we have seen to date a good indicator the most intensive was against Pricilla before the blob incident.
They hardly entered the fight with Cassandra and when she did enter both times she did quite a bit of damage to her. So I'm pretty sure she is a number one and a powerful one at that even Alicia in her human form couldn't kill an abyssal till after all her training was complete.
Last edited by Jullias Ondore; April 08, 2013 at 12:01 AM.