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Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions
Originally Posted by donyusufahmed
Yep, just a matter of time before they were exterminated...I can't really say i blame Madara. Considering what we have seen of Tobimaru, i say he will have exterminated them.
Tobirama is the ultimate pragmatic and he was right ... use democracy ... you don't wanna have a dictatorship ... also imagine Obama having a treaty with Bin Laden, nobody in their right mind would want him to be a leader in the US ... same applies here ... Madara had numerous chances in the past to form a treaty yet he wanted to fight, because deep down he wanted to rule ... it is his fault that his brother is dead ... he has no one to blame but himself ... Hashirama chose to be the bigger man, Madara didn't ... I think that even Tobirama would follow if people would want Madara as their leader, yet I think that even Uchiha's themselves knew that wasn't a good option ...
you have to ask yourself ... why everybody hated Madara and loved Hashirama? they had a democracy voting yet I presume Hashirama won by a landslide ... why is that? him and uchiha's give off weird vibe because deep down they care only for themselves ... they wanted peace because THEY were tired of fighting not because it would cease fighting all over the world as Hashirama and Senju's were aiming for ... We've that only Shisui and Itachi were truly Konoha shinobi others were Uchiha
Why Tobi can't be Obito (or Rin):
Year 0 for our purposes:
We know that Madara and Tobi knew each other (confirmed by Kishi) and gave Madara's Rinnegan to Nagato.
J-Man trains Nagato
Obito is born.Tobi might be using Obito's eye but that is improbable since it would most likely be MS technique BUT considering how much he's been using it he would be blind by now. Itachi used it very sporadically and was blind, same Sasuke-Tobi is spamming it for 17 years and is OK?
But Hashirama did know his pain. They both kept losing brothers. The flashback implies that as they kept losing brothers as children, they wanted to find a solution even more. And during the fight where Izuna was mortally wounded (and even before that), Hashirama was pleading with Madara to stop the conflict. Hashirama and Tobirama were just defending their lives at that point.
So Madara and Izuna had no one to blame but themselves. And Madara was beyond the point of no return, since Izuna's dying wish was for Madara to take his eyes and keep fighting.
He knew similar pain, not the same pain. Hashirama still had a brother and hadn't been forced to watch his last brother be killed.
Hashirama didn't ask to end the conflict til after the battle was basically over, after Izuna had been mortally wounded. So that really doesn't change anything. Tobirama wasn't "defending" himself when he did it. It's not like the Senju called a timeout and the Uchiha kept attacking.