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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
All magic has one source, doesn't mean that all magic is the same.
Good question. It was never really said, I assumed that when I saw him training Natsu to use the Phoenix flame blade (the move used to defeat Zero.)
How relevant were your paragraphs to my post?
While I agree only in it for the money was an exaggeration, I even re-iterated that I love the series still. I've been a fan for several years way before the anime.
The way arcs end haven't been so good at times. That's an honest flaw from my perspective.
Where have I exaggerated in saying a likely reason I feel he is laid-back author is because he is in a much weaker magazine than JUMP.
Its a fact that the magazine FT is in is much weaker than Weekly JUMP.
I couldn't care less if others are bashing this manga. I haven't bashed this manga in my posts at all. I love it.
But many there are various posts on how it falls short.
I didn't seriously bash the manga so you should invest your time in debating with those who do.
FT is awesome. But there are areas I feel it comes short. I feel this last arc was just a sudden and classic "Hey... Let's get serious and just win" sort of ending.
Typical of the FT guild.
I love it either way, but I reckon in another magazine he would spice things up a bit.
You can't really call this bashing.
Although I agree there are people going overboard crying about how much FT has taken a wrong path like other mangas, but to be fair it isn't too bad in this thread from what I've seen.
Why is he wrong, while you are right? Why shouldn't characters be able to overcome their initial limitations?
I still like FT, but I as readers and fans we should give some constructive criticism.
Last edited by KingOfNight; March 13, 2013 at 12:34 AM.
And still we know NOTHING about Igneel's aims to make Natsu a Dragon Slayer, nor was it ever said that the old dragon slayers were limited to one element, as Dragon Slayer magic was declared to be Lost Magic.
That would be like saying: Vegeta isn't allowed to become a Super Saiyan 2, because Goku already became a Super Saiyan 2, many years after Gohan became that.
I may repeat: Fairy Tail sells well. Much better than most of Jump manga which only tops other magazines because of One Piece and Naruto.
Getting around to responding to this:
The drop between the years is primarily due to fewer older volumes being purchased. It's not a mark of losing readers (e.g. One Piece did not lose millions of readers between 2011 and 2012), it's a mark of slowing of growth. New fans start the series, and start buying older volumes. Then they get their collection up to date and stop.Quote:
And with the limited editions, Volume 36 has sold 455,856 copies, and Volume 35 has sold 434,053 copies, and Volume 31 has sold 420,069 copies. You have to include the Limited Edition versions in the count. That they come with and OVA DVD is irrelevant as far as how many manga volumes have sold. Those sales are generally people buying the limited edition instead of the regular edition, and as a result cannibalizing the regular edition sales numbers. If you don't include them, you give an incomplete picture.Quote:
Still, your overall point is right, Fairy Tail's sales are stable, not falling like Bleach's was for a while there.
There's no requirement that the mage deplete their first container to use the second. It's simply additional magic storage. They can use both of them at the same time as though they were one. Which is what everyone except Erza has been doing until now.Quote:
Really, if you're going to engage in mindless bashing, you might as well not hold back.
No. This has nothing to do with other manga at all. It really is random. He's a fire DS that eats fire replenish his energy. Then he eats Lightning...Quote:
Your point would've made sense, if they actually explained what happened. Like how they explained his capability of eating God's flames. But they didn't...He just came in and ate other stuff. You usually explain these kind of things but not now. That's why it's hard to take in...
Wow... I mean, when you hear a fire DS eats fire to replenish himself. You would think it's obvious that he can only eat fire. Like when you hear about a carnivore, you instantly know he eats meat. The same way when Lucy heard about an Iron DS, she instantly knew he eat Iron. The reason it's obvious is because fire has no effect on himself, that's why he can just eat it or brush it off. But Lightning DOES hurt him and a lot if I may add. But he ate anyway. Try drinking gasoline to replenish yourself, see how effective it is. And if he would just eat it for a moment and that's it, I could take it. But he keeps it with him for the long run.Quote:
He should look for flames or just lose. There is more experience in losing than in winning. I never heard of a carnivore who just decided to eat plants because there isn't any meat.Quote:
No. God no. Natsu's major rival is Gray. Gajeel who was the biggest joke 7 years ago and perhaps the weakest of the S-class candidates (with the exception of Elfman and Ever), not only that. But he was tiers below Natsu. And now out of nowhere, he's equal to him.Quote:
And even if he was his main rival, is that an excuse for going around doing the same thing ? The case with Vegeta is different. SS2 is a stage every Saiyan is bound to reach with training. If Gajeel went Dragon Force, okay fine. But imagine Vegeta going around learning Kamehameha and Instant transmission to be Goku's rival.
By pointing out the flaws in what he's doing...Quote:
bottom of page, he powered up and strikes, and afterwards thos flames don't hurt him anymore. He lets the God flames consume his Dragon Flames and then starts to eat them. Makarov instantly explaines it by "creating a vessel to eat those flames"...
@"DS should only eat their element":
IMO it would be dumb (for the dragonhumanparty) to teach humans only one dragon element.
imagine there are only 2 fire dragons. one of them Igneel, the other one on the humaneating side.
Igneel teaches Natsu fire DS, so Natsu could only compete with the other fire dragon and would lose to other elemental dragons, what's the purpose of a DS then?
I think Mashima planned it from the beginning for 1. Gen DS being able to eat other elements.
Why should he get different elements ? Is he better than the others around him ? Is he better than Gray who trains, use skill, creativity and tactics ? Is he better than Jura who only use earth magic ?Quote:
No. He should train like those guys do. He should experience defeat. By doing so, his character can actually develop and grow. By giving him a random power up and having him do the unthinkable and eat Lightning and even keep it and having him constantly win. Hiro mashima didn't allow any character development.
Then Wendy is his rival too ? Laxus and Erza are more like his "goal" than his rivals. Gray was introduced as his destined rival and Happy constantly acknowledge them as equals. Gajeel is also his rival but not his main or "major" rival.Quote:
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that I didn't read TI arc or Galuna arc ? This is the same as the first quote. You simply misunderstood what I said. What I meant was, Gajeel was the weakest guy on Tenrou Island (since most of them there were S-class candidate.) I did however forget that Levy was the S class candidate. In noway did my post contain anything about the strength of S class mages.Quote:
Nope. It's really not. Power ups and stages are different. SS2 Is a natural stage for a Saiyan, just like how DF is a natural stage for DS. A better example : Imagin Vegeta using Kaioken just because he's Goku's rival.Quote:
Well, that's probably someone else's post. I didn't bash him, I'm pointing out the flaws in what he's doing.Quote:
If you want a detailed explanation of why Natsu's body is able to strengthen on other elements than fire, I'd like to hear from you why he should replenish from flames in the first place... Something beyond "because he's a Fire DS", of course. Since if there's no better reason than that, there's no reason at all to come up with the denial that Natsu has always been able to eat other elements and gain power from it.
As a matter of fact, no one can explain how dragon slayer magic really works, because there's no data at all how it really works, how it's taught and how one becomes a dragon slayer.
People get just frustrated because their theory doesn't work.
BTW, make magic isn't restricted on ice only. If he was taught by Lucky, Grey should be able to do some Wood Make, too.
After eating Etherion lachrima and absorbing its power, Natsu learned (watch out it's character development!!!) that he can replenish from other elements than just fire. But as we learned: He's extremely exhausted afterwards - he also knows that, so he uses it at last resort. And at some point, he already failed, remember? Against Hades. His mixed mode was useless against Hades until Lily's team destroyed Hades' power source.
Yeah, "The Hero gets a power up to defeat the enemy" isn't actually original, true. But point your fingers to any manga in this forum - it's the same there if said that plain.
But still: Natsu is a title character. So rule#1 of ALL stories so far: The title character gets the most screentime, the best power ups, and at some point becomes so strong he's the last and best hope to all characters within the story.
You asked for the reason Natsu being better than other characters. What's the reason Ichigo is better than Zaraki Kenpachi? What's the reason Komatsu is more gifted than any of the cooks - even the established ones with a much higher rank - in Toriko? Why is Luffy blessed with the Haoushoku while Usopp isn't?
Oh, and if they're facing a dragon: Yes, Natsu is, but only better suited.
You keep repeating the "random power up stuff" btw which has been already explained not to be just because you stick on your chewbacca-like orange juice defense...
What theory ? This isn't theory, all we need is some explanations and better story telling.
Jealousy of what ? What are you talking about ?Quote:
No they aren't allowed to eat other elements, they were supposed to eat their elements. Gray has no need to learn other magic, as a mage, they should take pride in their magic. Especially those who's teacher died\disappeared. What happened to all that crap about "There is no room for more the one Dragon in the sky" - Gajeel and Natsu.
Out of character ? Then explain to me, why he suddenly became a genius in here : http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/295/24Quote:
So much like his character, is it not ?
He didn't learn anything. He's just randomly eating stuff. Like "Oh hey, I can eat Eitherion...That must mean I can eat lightning too." How would someone come up with such a conclusion ?
The hero in other manga don't get RANDOM power ups. The term random, refers to an unexplained or out of nowhere power up.
Oh yeah, cool. Because he's the main character he doesn't have to lose, train, use his mind and constantly get power ups. Nice logic.Quote:
Who said Ichigo is better than Kenpachi ? Don't know about Toriko. Luffy -according to Garp- inherited it.
He doesn't. When he got the chance to train...Quote:
"Oh hey , Ultear. Yeahhhh ! Power up, yeah."
No. The don't lose and just come back. They train, they grow, then they come back. When Ichigo lost to Grimmijow he went to train, become a lot stronger and challenged him again. When Kuroko and Kagami got crushed by Aomine, they grew A LOT...Quote:
Did you even read the CP9 saga ? Luffy himself stated that his loss against Aokiji was what motivated him to train and develop gear 2 and 3. It was what opened his eyes to how weak he is. When he lost to Crocodile, he kept using his mind and still needed a lot of help.Quote:
Give me the explanation then...
So far, you've done nothing but give the most useless of excuses to defend Natsu and the series...
You've yet to give me one solid argument.
You said that Gajeel is his rival because he's a first generation DS...Quote:
So Wendy is his rival too ?
Never did. You just changed the topic because you couldn't find anything to say.Quote:
It's still a natural stage for a Saiyan...Quote:
Natural stage. How you access it is irrelevant.Quote:
But he didn't. Because it's stupid to copy your rival in an attempt to be his equal.Quote:
You have yet to give a single reason that denies my point. All you did was give false examples and change the topics every time.Quote:
Natsu wasn't born as Dragon Slayer, nor as one that is able only to eat fire. As the manga explained, he's a human born in Earthland with a gift to use magic. And one of the few mages to be taught by a Dragon the Lost Magic called Dragon Slayer.
And of course, Natsu could only learn to eat fire as Igneel is a dragon spitting fire. That did never mean that Natsu wouldn't be able to use what he learned there to swallow and extract magical energy of other elements.
Thanks for proving their rivalty from Gajeel's point of view btw.
he got through Zardi/Ulltear's defense?
Compare yourself his fights against Krieg and the New Fishman Pirates' army. You'll find him pulling some ridiculous move while smiling... His losses didn't change him characterwise.
Apparently bringing up "repetitive" plot schemes to power up characters of other series is useless as well, as you also misinterpret the power ups shown there. You even keep mixing up "character development/growth" with training to develop physical strength and new techniques, which is just plain nonsense.
Last edited by hoeru; March 16, 2013 at 03:49 PM. Reason: typo