Madara has no Amaterasu and Obito has no Tsukuyomi.

[xXan]

@KingOfNight

It would be weird to name both of them just because they both have something to do with the moon... Itachi is on a man at a time and Madara is on the entire planet so it would make sense to be infinite because of that.

Tsukuyomi's only special ability is the control of time and obviously the perfect control. If Madara's genjutsu can do this then its Tsukuyomi any way you slice it as it shares the same properties. Only diference is the magnitude of the jutsu and that is why (aparently) it also has infinite at the end.

[M3J]

I'm wondering if each set of brothers has the same set of individual eye powers, but each brother is better with one than the other according to their natural abilities. But, any Uchiha who unlocks eye powers in each eye has access to Sussano.

According to Tobi, Susano'o is awaken only in few Uchiha with Mangekyo.

But I think brothers have same jutsu or like-jutsu, probably with mastery in one area that they're good with (Sasuke with ninjutsu/Amaterasu and Itachi with genjutsu/Tsukuyomi). Obito has two versions of Kamui, but we don't know if he had a brother. If we know Madara and Izuna's MS jutsu, then we'd probably learn more, like each set of family having its own specific MS jutsu or something.

[1337 haxor]

It could be that Madara has Tsukuyomi in both eyes like Sasuke has Amaterasu in both.

Maybe one of Madara's eyes casts Tsukuyomi at close range while the other acts as a long range reflector meaning that he can bounce the genjutsu until it reaches the target just like moonlight.

Itachi had both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, however, he could not manipulate both beyond direct visual contact with the target.

Sasuke can turn his flames into any shape so that he creates something even more powerful than Susanoo with inextinguishable flames like how Hashirama creates godlike things made out of wood.

Madara can reflect his Tsukuyomi into any surface until it reaches the eyes of the target but it costs to much chakra to keep tracking several moving targets so that he needs the near infinite power of the Juubi to accomplish his Moon Eye Plan.

Obito also has Kamui on both eyes, one which makes him "intangible" and sucks things at close range while the other teleports things at long range.

By that logic, Shisui's eyes both had Kotoamatsukami but I guess that one (the one Danzou used) gives subtle changes in the target's mind while the other (the one in Itachi's crow) gives a single unbreakable command at the expense of locking the Magekyo for 5 whole years.

I think it's fair to assume Shishui didn't have Susanoo because whenever both his eyes were used his Magekyo simple shut down for 5 years.

[shahdan]

Moon and Sun give rise to Susano'o as Itachi commented. Moon simply means genjutsu or illusion. Itachi has a considerable mastery over it, and he's able to manipulate time and space within it, while others simply cast illusions. This by no means implies that the rest of them don't have tsukuyomi, they just lack the qualities Itaci has just like Itachi lacks Amaterasu mastery Sasuke has.

[Prince Sasuke]

They also lack the ability to show such a skill, meaning I'm not giving anyone credit for a skill they haven't shown.

At best, they(Madara and Tobi) uses the Kyuubi to power up there Genjutsu to Tsukuyomi level.

[Azuma]

I've only read the title of this thread, but.. isn't this fact? Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi were Itachi's techniques. Sasuke inherited them by taking his eyes.

[Prince Sasuke]

Sasuke had Amaterasu before getting Itachi eyes, but could have very well inherited Tsukuyomi. That part is still unknown.

[xXan]

Moon and Sun give rise to Susano'o as Itachi commented. Moon simply means genjutsu or illusion. Itachi has a considerable mastery over it, and he's able to manipulate time and space within it, while others simply cast illusions. This by no means implies that the rest of them don't have tsukuyomi, they just lack the qualities Itaci has just like Itachi lacks Amaterasu mastery Sasuke has.

This logic is flawed.

What you are doing is to imply that Sasuke has tsukuyomi but can't control time.

Going by this logic i can glaim:

Sasuke has Kotoamatsukami just not as powerfull...

Madara could only use this special genjutsu when using the Mazo's power as he himself stated. It stands to reason that once he has acces to the 10 tails power he can cast whatever genjutsu he feels like.

Sasuke had Amaterasu before getting Itachi eyes, but could have very well inherited Tsukuyomi. That part is still unknown.

Tobi stated Itachi transfered his eye abilities into Sasuke:

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/397/11

That would probably be the answer as to why Sasuke shares so much with Itachi... That or perhaps because they are brothers.

[Delbi]

Tobi stated Itachi transfered his eye abilities into Sasuke:

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/397/11

That would probably be the answer as to why Sasuke shares so much with Itachi... That or perhaps because they are brothers.

Itachi transferred his trap Amaterasu to Sasuke and that was it. He didn't transfer all his powers, that much was obvious from the beginning.

They share so much because they are brothers and both Uchiha's. It would make sense that to gain EMS you would need to replace your eyes with your siblings eyes because they are similar. It probably would not work with any run of the mill Uchiha.

[Prince Sasuke]

I thought the eyes were somehow combine, not replaced.

[shahdan]

This logic is flawed.

What you are doing is to imply that Sasuke has tsukuyomi but can't control time.

Going by this logic i can glaim:

Sasuke has Kotoamatsukami just not as powerfull...

Madara could only use this special genjutsu when using the Mazo's power as he himself stated. It stands to reason that once he has acces to the 10 tails power he can cast whatever genjutsu he feels like.



Tobi stated Itachi transfered his eye abilities into Sasuke:

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/397/11

That would probably be the answer as to why Sasuke shares so much with Itachi... That or perhaps because they are brothers.

No it isn't. Time is controlled in Sasuke's genjutsu as well, though on a much shorter scale. The only thing he cannot control are physical sensations which Itachi can.

Itachi never transferred Amaterasu to Sasuke; it was just a trap set for Obito. I have zero clue how people still believe this.

[Azuma]

Honestly, the Uchiha clan is one of the most uninteresting part about Naruto. Sadly, given their importance, that says quite a lot about the quality of the manga nowadays. To the smart-asses that are bound to ask me why I bother reading it, it's because I first started in 2002 (back when I thought it was excellent) and would like to know how it ends.

In any case, it seems illogical that two brothers, Sasuke and Itachi in this case, would end up with the same eye techniques. If I'm not mistaken, Sasuke could also use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu before "taking" Itachi's eyes, in some magical way (Note: my previous post saying that the aforementioned techniques were Itachi's was supposed to include Sasuke as well). If the reason for this lies in their genetic make-up, then surely random variation should make it extremely improbable that they would have the exact same optical alleles? Unless we're dealing with some trait that is always passed along, then by extension, the parents should have that same allele and consequently, at least one of the eye techniques (if at worst, a maximum of one eye technique is passed from each parent). If we think back to the 'first' Uchiha, then there should only be two eye techniques, really. Based on the fact that Uchihas are practically carbon copies of each other (hell, even Izuna and Sasuke look alike, and they should be very distant relatives), there doesn't seem to be much variation in the genetic pool of the Uchiha.

Seeing as Sasuke & Itachi had the same techniques, does that mean that Izuna and Madara had the same techniques too? And if their eyes are so similar in terms of abilities, why are the Mangekyou shapes so different? Did Kakashi activate his Mangekyou Sharingan because Obito activated his and they are somehow still linked even though they have been separated into two different bodies? If not, how come Kakashi's emotions affect the Sharingan in the exact same way as pure Uchihas? If it's the latter, doesn't that contradict with what Tobirama/Hashirama said about the Uchiha being genetically very emotional and that's why the Sharingan evolves? All of this is so poorly explained and flawed.

[KingOfNight]

No it isn't. Time is controlled in Sasuke's genjutsu as well, though on a much shorter scale. The only thing he cannot control are physical sensations which Itachi can.

Danzo already said that Sasuke's Genjutsu can't control time.

[xXan]

Itachi transferred his trap Amaterasu to Sasuke and that was it. He didn't transfer all his powers, that much was obvious from the beginning.

They share so much because they are brothers and both Uchiha's. It would make sense that to gain EMS you would need to replace your eyes with your siblings eyes because they are similar. It probably would not work with any run of the mill Uchiha.

No. That was way after the trap was addressed. Tobi states ALL his eye techs, like in PLURAL. This is not about the TRAP. Trap is one, single. No all techs. Huge diference from All techs to set a trap.

No it isn't. Time is controlled in Sasuke's genjutsu as well, though on a much shorter scale. The only thing he cannot control are physical sensations which Itachi can.

Itachi never transferred Amaterasu to Sasuke; it was just a trap set for Obito. I have zero clue how people still believe this.

Neah he can't:
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/478/3
(and another translation)
http://www.mangareader.net/93-44811-...apter-478.html
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/480/4

It was made clear by both Danzo and Tobi that he CAN'T.

As for the second part... I am just linking what TOBI SAID. If you think you know better then Tobi then whatever...

[shahdan]

Danzo already said that Sasuke's Genjutsu can't control time.

"Perception of time at his whim..". This part disproves me? Yeah, okay. This sentence actually connects 'time' with 'whim', meaning he can prolong the effects of Perception of time to whichever extend he wanted to. In no way does this scan mention that 'time' is not controlled by Sasuke, which by the way, is an abstraction and has plenty of dimensions.

@Xxan You people must have really poor comprehension skills. 'Perception of time' meaning Time based on user's reality Versus 'Time and Space' altered by Sasuke with his genjutsu. See the difference? Once reality is altered for perception, time is automatically altered, as the space viewed by the opponent is different. The only thing Sasuke cannot do, is extend it outside the bounds of the affected individual's perception.

Sasuke can control the perception as well, but another thing he cannot control is sensations.

No I can voice it better than Tobi. Meh