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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
(and another translation)
It was made clear by both Danzo and Tobi that he CAN'T.
As for the second part... I am just linking what TOBI SAID. If you think you know better then Tobi then whatever...
@Xxan You people must have really poor comprehension skills. 'Perception of time' meaning Time based on user's reality Versus 'Time and Space' altered by Sasuke with his genjutsu. See the difference? Once reality is altered for perception, time is automatically altered, as the space viewed by the opponent is different. The only thing Sasuke cannot do, is extend it outside the bounds of the affected individual's perception.
Sasuke can control the perception as well, but another thing he cannot control is sensations.
No I can voice it better than Tobi. Meh
I do kinda agree though, that Sasuke has offensive and defensive amaterasu (enton)...but he def used tsukiyomi twice....weird...
And to the person who started this thread, not that it really matters, but Obito stole Madara's left rinnegan eye, not right....I dont know if you were talking hypothetically IF he took Madara's right eye or not..
BUT I was under the impression only people who originally owned the eye could regress it back to a lesser form...
Like how Kakashi cant change back to a regular eye, how Ao cant change his byakugan to a reg eye, danzou either....i doubt obito could change the rinnegan eye back to a sharingan or ems eye, or reg eye either..i mean you did say tuskiyomi controls time...well sasuke controlled time with Danzou, if even for just a few seconds..which is why it worked bc danzou stated it was so shitty compared to itachis when he tried using a longer tsukiyomi.
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Ill admit after rereading the chapter, that it can be interpreted that it is either a regular or tsukiyomi, but because Tobi says its not as good as Itachis, but he mentions that its not as good because of how short it is and that it would only be effective when using it at the right time.
I dunno, imo i interpret it as Sasuke using a shitty tsukiyomi that is really short and not very effective unless he used it the way he did vs danzou. I dont know why else tobi would mention the length of it if it wasnt in fact a tsukiyomi and he never says its a regular genjutsu, just calls it a weak genjutsu, and tsukiyomi is a genjutsu. I dont see why they had the need to compare it to itachi if it wasnt a tsukiyomi....and wtf is the point of blasting a closeup of sasukes eye going from regular based sharingan to his MS right before he casts it on danzou if its not a tsukiyomi......
In ur link, itachi and sasuke are already using susanoo though, so their eyes arent changing from three tomoe sharingan to MS and EMS....sasuke merely just used a Genjutsu to help break itachi out of a genjutsu while his eyes were already in EMS..
A lot of this is weird...sasuke left eye that becomes itachis MS design, uses amaterasu on tobi, yet itachis left eye uses tsukiyomi and right amaterasu...and sasuke the opposite...
His MS genjutsu does look a lot like tsukiyomi though
Then here he is seen grabbing his left eye after using an MS genjutsu
It really makes no sense, ive always been confused how he has 3 jutsu with two eyes, using MS genjutsus with both eyes making them bleed.
Narutopedia does say Sasuke has tsukiyomi, i dunno how official that website is though
Uses his right eye there....
Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu, it not something standard, it depends on how the user wants to use it. Sasuke has it, and the only problem is that he doesn't have complete control over it, unlike Itachi.
Put it another way: Sasuke has more control over Amaterasu (he did create/learn/get Blaze release) which is something Itachi doesn't have even though he has Amaterasu. And Itachi on the other hand is more proficient with genjutsu, so much that he can actually control time within his tsukuyomi, Something Sasuke can't do, he also can't keep it active for a long period.
So just because he doesn't use it so often (it doesn't suit his style, he was never a genjutsu fighter to begin with, unlike Itachi who uses it on a regualr basis) doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
1.Since he got MS all the genjutsu he used were MS genjutsus, never once did he use a genjutsu with the regular sharingan.
2.His eye bleeds whenever he uses Genjutsu.
3.It says clearly in the aatabook (written by Kishi) that in order to use Susanoo one must have both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. (sorry i don't have the link to the page, but i hope someone comes who actually has it)
And just where does it say in the Manga that Tsukuyomi controls time? Yea Itachi can do it, but there is no proof that it is something standard. Itachi can do it because he is a genjutsu master, and using it so many time, as his basic fighting style it is only normal for him to be proficient with it.
Under susanoo it says you need tsukiyomi...
Pretty sure ive seen sasuke use enton with both eyes also....
I cant picture Danzou being tricked by a non-tsukiyomi genjutsu when he was laughing at sasukes earlier genjutsu attempt....i think the level of tsukiyomi was the reason danzou didnt detect it, and it worked because it was so short that danzou didnt have enough time to think or realize he was in a genjutsu...tsukiyomi style
The only time i remember sasukes eye bleeding after enton was the first time, otherwise when sasuke uses his right eye for enton after using his left for amaterasu, only his left eye bleeds, not his right....but his right eye bleeds after using genjutsu (tsukiyomi)...
Leads me to believe his right eye not bleeding when using enton is because his left eye is taking the punishment and that is why both eyes are in MS when using enton so he uses his right to manipulate the flame, meaning hes not using his right MS for any type of power, just manipulating his left MS power...otherwise his eye should bleed everytime after using enton, since you are saying its a separate power entity....but i believe it to just be an addon power to the amaterasu...
Anyone find any other time his right eye bleeds after enton?
His right eye definitely does not bleed when using enton vs raikage, only his left eye bleeds from amaterasu during it.....now why would that be?
Last edited by hawaplop; March 31, 2013 at 04:46 AM.
Hashirama cells are 21, the Sharingan is a joker and the Byakugan is joker made harder to steal.
2- Sasuke and Itachi don't have the same techniques, at least not on the same level and purpose. Itachi could pull a perfect Tsukuyomi whereas Sasuke could shape his flames into constructs like a new element.
3- The Sharingan is a joker, it can do any sort of shit the author comes up with and to top that of there are plenty of them available for anyone who is Uchiha or has enough chakra to spam it.
Honestly tough, the factor of the Sharingan's evolution is emotion, the Uchiha's are painfully more emotional than the average person but that doesn't mean someone normal like Kakashi could not feel enough grief to awaken the Mangekyou.
I mean, for fucksake, if you shot your girlfriend in the face when your deceased best friend promised you to protect her how would you react? Anyone would have freaked out and went into comatose for weeks only to spent years in total delusional breakdown, no wonder Kakashi doesn't understand why Obito is so pissed off, his mind closed of that memory to preserve his own sanity.
Heck, this why he survived Tsukuyomi in the first place. After killing Rin, Kakashi created so many emotional barriers whitin himself that years of time warped mind rape are not capable of digging into his mind and reaching the core of his being.
I shudder to think how Kakashi will react when he remembers he was the one who killed Rin, it will be the most emotionally filled moment in the entire series.
Last edited by KingOfNight; April 01, 2013 at 01:29 AM.
I don't even...
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Suffer for years? Way to exaggerate it.
Last edited by shahdan; April 02, 2013 at 02:55 PM.
I don't remember if it was for years, months or days. But he did make him suffer for long time in a matter of seconds.